Does the hunt on piracy piss off anyone else here?

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Re: Does the hunt on piracy piss off anyone else here?

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Also it doesn't motivate you to buy the original game, when they have a black and white manual, numbering 5 pages, or even no manual in print form but only as a pdf on the disk. And they started doing this before broadband.
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ZeroAX wrote:Also it doesn't motivate you to buy the original game, when they have a black and white manual, numbering 5 pages, or even no manual in print form but only as a pdf on the disk. And they started doing this before broadband.
Are you buying a game, or buying a manual? I don't think I've ever encountered a manual I'd be willing to pay $40 for.
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Limewater wrote:
ZeroAX wrote:Also it doesn't motivate you to buy the original game, when they have a black and white manual, numbering 5 pages, or even no manual in print form but only as a pdf on the disk. And they started doing this before broadband.
Are you buying a game, or buying a manual? I don't think I've ever encountered a manual I'd be willing to pay $40 for.
I think he's implying that you don't really get anything worthwhile to bother buying a game. You might as well just pirate it.
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The best thing to do for combatting DRM is not to download cracked versions, but to buy DRM free games. Money talks. There are people on the GoG forums that have bought every single game in the catalogue there simply because they are DRM free. I'm always amused by that. That's how much people hate DRM- they will buy products they don't even want simply out of spite.

And companies are beginning to listen. This month, Activision struck a deal with GoG to release some of their classic games DRM-free. Activision! You know, that huge game company run by Bobby Kotick that so many gamers hate because of his reputation for only caring about money? Ubisoft and Interplay also release DRM-free games on GoG. With big names like these jumping on board, it's only a matter of time before others will follow... at least with their old and already heavily pirated games.

You still don't have much of an option with new games, but hopefully that will change too. I believe I overhead that laws will be changing so that PC games have to include notification on their packaging that it will install DRM software on your machine. Once you can consistently see on the product description whether a game has DRM or not, support the ones that don't have DRM at release and hold off for sales on the ones that do (or simply don't buy them). If everyone does this, game companies will get the message.

People are pissed about this stuff. Just look at some amazon reviews. A PC game like Mass Effect, that may have an awesome metacritic score, will just get trashed on Amazon with tons of 1 star customer ratings simply because of obnoxious DRM. Trust me, these companies don't like being trashed on huge distributor's website like Amazon. So go trash them. It tarnishes their image.

Also, sites like Direct2Drive have realized that the absence of DRM is a selling point. Though they sell DRM as well as DRM-free games, they now make a point to highlight when a game doesn't have it. Buy those games.

Not supporting DRM will only get you so far though. You actually have to support DRM-free material before they will take heed. I do think things can change.
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ZeroAX wrote:
Alpinex2 wrote:A really good gaming pc with monitor, keyboard, gaming mouse, speakers etc... is going to be well over a grand.

monitor really? do you add the cost of an hd tv when buying an hd console?
Oh yea you have to include monitor most people going out to buy a new gaming pc don't have 22 inch 1080p monitors laying around and they will be convinced if you want a true gaming pc you need a sweet monitor.
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J T wrote:The best thing to do for combatting DRM is not to download cracked versions, but to buy DRM free games. Money talks. There are people on the GoG forums that have bought every single game in the catalogue there simply because they are DRM free. I'm always amused by that. That's how much people hate DRM- they will buy products they don't even want simply out of spite.

And companies are beginning to listen. This month, Activision struck a deal with GoG to release some of their classic games DRM-free. Activision! You know, that huge game company run by Bobby Kotick that so many gamers hate because of his reputation for only caring about money? Ubisoft and Interplay also release DRM-free games on GoG. With big names like these jumping on board, it's only a matter of time before others will follow... at least with their old and already heavily pirated games.

You still don't have much of an option with new games, but hopefully that will change too. I believe I overhead that laws will be changing so that PC games have to include notification on their packaging that it will install DRM software on your machine. Once you can consistently see on the product description whether a game has DRM or not, support the ones that don't have DRM at release and hold off for sales on the ones that do (or simply don't buy them). If everyone does this, game companies will get the message.

People are pissed about this stuff. Just look at some amazon reviews. A PC game like Mass Effect, that may have an awesome metacritic score, will just get trashed on Amazon with tons of 1 star customer ratings simply because of obnoxious DRM. Trust me, these companies don't like being trashed on huge distributor's website like Amazon. So go trash them. It tarnishes their image.

Also, sites like Direct2Drive have realized that the absence of DRM is a selling point. Though they sell DRM as well as DRM-free games, they now make a point to highlight when a game doesn't have it. Buy those games.

Not supporting DRM will only get you so far though. You actually have to support DRM-free material before they will take heed. I do think things can change.
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aaron wrote:
J T wrote:The best thing to do for combatting DRM is not to download cracked versions, but to buy DRM free games. Money talks. There are people on the GoG forums that have bought every single game in the catalogue there simply because they are DRM free. I'm always amused by that. That's how much people hate DRM- they will buy products they don't even want simply out of spite.

And companies are beginning to listen. This month, Activision struck a deal with GoG to release some of their classic games DRM-free. Activision! You know, that huge game company run by Bobby Kotick that so many gamers hate because of his reputation for only caring about money? Ubisoft and Interplay also release DRM-free games on GoG. With big names like these jumping on board, it's only a matter of time before others will follow... at least with their old and already heavily pirated games.

You still don't have much of an option with new games, but hopefully that will change too. I believe I overhead that laws will be changing so that PC games have to include notification on their packaging that it will install DRM software on your machine. Once you can consistently see on the product description whether a game has DRM or not, support the ones that don't have DRM at release and hold off for sales on the ones that do (or simply don't buy them). If everyone does this, game companies will get the message.

People are pissed about this stuff. Just look at some amazon reviews. A PC game like Mass Effect, that may have an awesome metacritic score, will just get trashed on Amazon with tons of 1 star customer ratings simply because of obnoxious DRM. Trust me, these companies don't like being trashed on huge distributor's website like Amazon. So go trash them. It tarnishes their image.

Also, sites like Direct2Drive have realized that the absence of DRM is a selling point. Though they sell DRM as well as DRM-free games, they now make a point to highlight when a game doesn't have it. Buy those games.

Not supporting DRM will only get you so far though. You actually have to support DRM-free material before they will take heed. I do think things can change.
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same here. I buy games from gog as well. But I'm also going to try impulse cause it seams cheaper
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ПIOÐE wrote:
Limewater wrote:
ZeroAX wrote:Also it doesn't motivate you to buy the original game, when they have a black and white manual, numbering 5 pages, or even no manual in print form but only as a pdf on the disk. And they started doing this before broadband.
Are you buying a game, or buying a manual? I don't think I've ever encountered a manual I'd be willing to pay $40 for.
I think he's implying that you don't really get anything worthwhile to bother buying a game. You might as well just pirate it.
I realize this, but I think it's kind of a silly point. The worthwhile thing is the game. I don't think any manual alone is going to convince someone to pay $40 instead of $0. People should buy the actual software rather than pirate it because it's the right thing to do.
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