Time Travel

[BoringSupreez]

Play more TFC around 2000, then go back and play some more, then go back and play some more...

You would end up playing against yourself at some point, and then you would start changing your past, and that might cause trouble.

[Ack]

I would totally teach myself to triple conc into a grenade jump.

[Big Stupid]

Time for a nerdly rant! The only way time travel would be logically possible is if you transported yourself into an alternate universe. One couldn't be somewhere at one period in time and then not be there. This would violate Aristotle's laws of non-contradiction, identity and excluded middle. Therefore, I'll never have the pleasure of playing myself in Goldeneye or TFC even if time travel is made possible by some miracle.

Please forgive my humorless outburst.

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

If you could devise some sort of machine that would allow you to travel near the speed of light, then according to Einstein's theory of relativity, you theoretically could go forward in time, but not backwards. You wouldn't see a "future you" though. You would have simply appeared to have been gone a long time, but not aged.

According to this book, I have on the subject of time travel. If one were to reach the speed of light they would slow down in time. Hm, I have no idea who to believe, some nerd who wrote a book or the guy who almost won the Nintendo Championship. I'll have to take your word for it JT. Anyway the possibility of time travel is so minimal that it's pretty much physically impossible. But it's not logically impossible if you travel to a parallel universe. Just be sure to avoid seducing your mother and running over your grandfather.

Also, I could bring back an X-box 360 to sell it as a prototype to Sega and make a fortune. Like with all 360's it would break and then Sega would go out of business and the Dreamcast would never end up being made. How frightening. I think I'll just use it to gamble on football games.

By the way, that's one nifty sticker!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

Time would slow down around you in a bubble and would then speed up for everyone else.

For Example: Sixty Seconds of travel at light speed would be the equivalent of Six Weeks! Or it could be Six Months, I can't exactly remember.

This basically means (and can actually be proven) that the faster you go the slower everything else moves around you and in essence you have a simple way to travel through time! Unfortunately time is a linear construct with no finite moment but the present so moving backwards is completely impossible; the only way to move back to your place of origin in time would be to destroy the current dimensional plane on which you are residing and travel to another dimension in time and space the present of which is currently time at which you left.

In other words:

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[Mod_Man_Extreme]

Time for a nerdly rant! The only way time travel would be logically possible is if you transported yourself into an alternate universe. One couldn't be somewhere at one period in time and then not be there. This would violate Aristotle's laws of non-contradiction, identity and excluded middle. Therefore, I'll never have the pleasure of playing myself in Goldeneye or TFC even if time travel is made possible by some miracle.

Please forgive my humorless outburst.

Ah but you forget!

You ARE already there. Time travel is tricky business, you literally cannot ever disappear from a time plane upon which you originated unless you yourself (The conscious time traveler which is aware that they are traveling through time.) are killed. If you seem to have things working uncannily in your favor, seem to be finding cleverly placed clues or actually met a future version of you then you aren't actually going to die, become removed from existence or actually succumb to any form of risk until after you go back in time and then re-warn yourself to complete the time loop. Therefore from there on out is is quite simple to deduce that you actually exist on all time planes simultaneously in each and every infinite possible action you could think of at once form mowing the lawn to solving cancer.

Of course this bring in the destiny or free will argument into effect but the simple and only logical solution is that you are predestined to complete certain actions during the loop such as warning yourself of some form of danger etc... but what happens in-between or after that remains yours to control under universal free will.

I can keep at this all night, I used to study this sort of thing for weeks and months on end back when I was like 14.

[Big Stupid]

Time for a nerdly rant! The only way time travel would be logically possible is if you transported yourself into an alternate universe. One couldn't be somewhere at one period in time and then not be there. This would violate Aristotle's laws of non-contradiction, identity and excluded middle. Therefore, I'll never have the pleasure of playing myself in Goldeneye or TFC even if time travel is made possible by some miracle.

Please forgive my humorless outburst.

Ah but you forget!

You ARE already there. Time travel is tricky business, you literally cannot ever disappear from a time plane upon which you originated unless you yourself (The conscious time traveler which is aware that they are traveling through time.) are killed. If you seem to have things working uncannily in your favor, seem to be finding cleverly placed clues or actually met a future version of you then you aren't actually going to die, become removed from existence or actually succumb to any form of risk until after you go back in time and then re-warn yourself to complete the time loop. Therefore from there on out is is quite simple to deduce that you actually exist on all time planes simultaneously in each and every infinite possible action you could think of at once form mowing the lawn to solving cancer.

Of course this bring in the destiny or free will argument into effect but the simple and only logical solution is that you are predestined to complete certain actions during the loop such as warning yourself of some form of danger etc... but what happens in-between or after that remains yours to control under universal free will.

I can keep at this all night, I used to study this sort of thing for weeks and months on end back when I was like 14.

Wow, that's sounds very well thought out. Feel free to elaborate. I'm trying to get into all of this time travel hokum. But right now I'm just giving myself a headache. I guess I'll pop in Timesplitters 2 until it goes away.

The only part that the blast processor in my head couldn't understand was the point that you made that your body would disappear from the plane if you were killed. Wouldn't your corpse remain. I need to know this before I fire up the Delorean!

[Dylan]

I would purchase a sports almanac and then become the world's luckiest man by winning billions by betting on games, ultimately becoming the most powerful man in the world. Also I would definitely stop by to say hi to Jesus.

[latenitevacancy]

time travel pisses all us nerds off. thats an age old fact. in fact, i'm getting pissed off thinking about time travel, right now

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

Time for a nerdly rant! The only way time travel would be logically possible is if you transported yourself into an alternate universe. One couldn't be somewhere at one period in time and then not be there. This would violate Aristotle's laws of non-contradiction, identity and excluded middle. Therefore, I'll never have the pleasure of playing myself in Goldeneye or TFC even if time travel is made possible by some miracle.

Please forgive my humorless outburst.

Ah but you forget!

You ARE already there. Time travel is tricky business, you literally cannot ever disappear from a time plane upon which you originated unless you yourself (The conscious time traveler which is aware that they are traveling through time.) are killed. If you seem to have things working uncannily in your favor, seem to be finding cleverly placed clues or actually met a future version of you then you aren't actually going to die, become removed from existence or actually succumb to any form of risk until after you go back in time and then re-warn yourself to complete the time loop. Therefore from there on out is is quite simple to deduce that you actually exist on all time planes simultaneously in each and every infinite possible action you could think of at once form mowing the lawn to solving cancer.

Of course this bring in the destiny or free will argument into effect but the simple and only logical solution is that you are predestined to complete certain actions during the loop such as warning yourself of some form of danger etc... but what happens in-between or after that remains yours to control under universal free will.

I can keep at this all night, I used to study this sort of thing for weeks and months on end back when I was like 14.

Wow, that's sounds very well thought out. Feel free to elaborate.

The only part that the blast processor in my head couldn't understand was the point that you made that your body would disappear from the plane if you were killed. Wouldn't your corpse remain. I need to know this before I fire up the Delorean!

What I mean is, For Example:

You've met your future self and through some pre-destined set course of events beyond your or anyone else's control have ended up going through the loop and have talked to yourself etc.. etc..., well if you die when in that place in time after having warned yourself, you're dead for real.

Why you ask? Well because the you that now exists has in turn removed yourself from the unchangeable causality in which you were forced to go back in time to when you were last there and warn or subtly help yourself from screwing shit up for future (present) you. After that pre-destined events are no longer forcing you to adhere to one singular time plane, what happens next is completely and fully under the control of your free will! That means you could walk in front of a bus in the road or just bump clumsily into a slow moving shopping cart in a grocery store aisle.

What this means is that after your pre-destined event has concluded you no longer are guaranteed your survival in any form whatsoever as you have taken over as the present and only self of the current timeline in which you are standing in. Were you to die then that's it, you're dead, end of story. The same goes if you were to die in the past or in the future because there is no past only present time and the infinite parallel present day dimensional timelines wherein which it could be the year 1865, 4026 or just 2010.

The ramifications for a dimensional leap is severe, though. With each leap to another dimension in the 'past' or 'future' you literally destroy and murder everyone and everything in that dimension which you have just jumped from as you (The Time Traveler, which from now on shall be referred to as a Slider) and only you the present day 'time traveler' have now become a Slider, sliding between parallel present day dimensions.

Were the Slider to require to travel to the dimensional timeline where they originated from and subsequently destroyed to get to the dimension upon which they now reside then the dimension would instantly be created along with infinitely more parallel copies of this dimensional timeline. Wherein each timeline would have the infinite possible present day scenarios I mentioned in my other posts above (AKA: curing cancer or just mowing the lawn) all only to be destroyed all over again as soon as you leap to another timeline.

Is that a better explanation?

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

time travel pisses all us nerds off. thats an age old fact. in fact, i'm getting pissed off thinking about time travel, right now

How could it piss you off, it's so simple!

Just read my posts above for a crash course in time travel rules, regulations and inevitable events.

In extremely (to the point of ignoring dimensional destruction) simple terms:

You go back in time.

You screw something up back in the present when you go back in time as it's inevitable.

You are inevitably forced to go back to the past to fix it and therefore guarantee that you don't die and can fix the crap you screwed up.

You go to the future (present day) under free will and everything seems OK until you realize that things went bad, VERY BAD, and are forced to go to the future and prevent something the future/past you will/already did.

You are inevitably forced go to the future to find out what exactly you screwed up there by actually causing the screw up in the first place. After which you go to the far past where you first caused the time rip.

After having returned to the past you stop yourself from making the same mistake that you once did because you already prevented it earlier in the day and travel back to the present with the time loop closed.

Voila! You have now survived time travel.

This was an extremely quick and extremely dirty proof of concept for newbies to the while idea of inter-dimensional time travel and contains quite a few mistakes. It is only meant for those who require a simple and easy introduction to the study and by no means describes a complete time loop.