I'm sooo not ready for kids...

[Jrecee]

Kids are an investment. Really worth it when you are old and helpless and looking for a meaning in life .

Amen. I don't really want kids, but then I think about my great grandma who's 101 and just went into a nursing home last year. What would she have left if she had no kids, grandkids, and great grandkids? She'd have a 1 bedroom apartment, a walker, and a bigass blue mole.

[Inazuma]

So it's worth having less time and money and an overall lower quality of life when you are young, in order for the chance of having your children take care of you when you are super old and suffering with various disabilities?

I'd rather have a good life, thanks. By the time I'm old and can barely function properly, I can die happily with no regrets. That, or simply pay people to take care of me. With the amount of money I will save from not having a wife and kids, I could probably afford it.

[ZeroAX]

So it's worth having less time and money and an overall lower quality of life when you are young,

You know family is considered capitalism's greatest weapon. meaning that most people try to become something in their lives to provide the best lifestyle they can to their family. And really for most people (me included) having kids is a life dream and that's what makes them happy. No one said you should have children. On the contrary most people are saying if you aren't willing to make sacrifices don't have children. But not having children over material things is a weak argument in my opinion. I mean trading love for money? How does that sound?

[GSZX1337]

I mean trading love for money? How does that sound?

Profitable?

[ZeroAX]

I mean trading love for money? How does that sound?

Profitable?

lol. You could also try selling the kids when they are babies. I think there is a lot of money in that business

[Hatta]

All the research I've seen indicates that non-parents are happier than parents, which makes sense they're a lot less stressed.

Sources? I can totally see that being true, just wondering what studies you are referring to.

Here's an article with some references.

I'm a little worried myself here. My GF, who I've been living with for 4 years has an 8 year old daughter. The daughter has been living with her father and his mother, and we go visit her once a month or so. Until recently, this has worked out well. But her grandmother has broken up with her husband and moved out into a tiny apartment with her son and other grandchild. I get the feeling I'm going to be asked if the daughter can come live here in the near future.

Of course, that would mean no more smoking pot in the living room. No more sex in the afternoon. Having to wear pants to breakfast. Having to find babysitters before concerts. Having to teach that kid to use her inside voice. It's not going to be fun.

[Flak Beard]

The night ended with my wife asking me if I valued material objects over a child, to which I replied, "Yes, as a matter of fact I do." Doghouse!

I don't even see how this is a legitimate question. Wanting to take care of your possessions doesn't mean you value them more than the child. Children need to know they're boundaries and how to respect your stuff.

[ZeroAX]

The night ended with my wife asking me if I valued material objects over a child, to which I replied, "Yes, as a matter of fact I do." Doghouse!

I don't even see how this is a legitimate question. Wanting to take care of your possessions doesn't mean you value them more than the child. Children need to know they're boundaries and how to respect your stuff.

if that doesn't work you can always buy a higher self.

[the King]

I spent this evening biting my tongue, cringing in horror and trying to mentally displace myself. The night played out like so many others before it...watching the deconstruction of my beautiful 46" LCD television by one of our lovely guests, a three-year-old tyrant. The night ended with my wife asking me if I valued material objects over a child, to which I replied, "Yes, as a matter of fact I do." Doghouse!

This has been a long time coming: http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ ... 1&format=4#

You shouldn't of bite your tongue, as a parent of 2 youngins I would never allow my kids to act that way and if I wasn't in the room and my kids were misbehaving in that manner I'd be fine with any of my friends stopping them.

[Inazuma]

I'm a little worried myself here. My GF, who I've been living with for 4 years has an 8 year old daughter. The daughter has been living with her father and his mother, and we go visit her once a month or so. Until recently, this has worked out well. But her grandmother has broken up with her husband and moved out into a tiny apartment with her son and other grandchild. I get the feeling I'm going to be asked if the daughter can come live here in the near future.

Of course, that would mean no more smoking pot in the living room. No more sex in the afternoon. Having to wear pants to breakfast. Having to find babysitters before concerts. Having to teach that kid to use her inside voice. It's not going to be fun.

Solution: Break up with your GF now. If you continue to be pussy-whipped and end up letting her duaghter stay with you, not only will it negatively affect your life in the short run, but you run the risk of breaking up years later and having to pay the woman palimony or even child support.

Or you could tell me to fuck off, stay in your miserable situation, and end up getting fucked over later. Your choice.

It may be nice having someone to do your laundry for you but it's not worth the hassle. Just have sex with women. Don't live with them.