Are you HARDCORE?

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the7k wrote:
I never play on Easy, with the exception of Ninja Gaiden 2 because that game is just broken, literally and figuratively. No good game designer would make a game that is so unfairly difficult.
I think Ninja Gaiden 2 is one of the exceptions. Gaiden gives you the tools to deal with what it throws at you, while you can be caught out by a shoddy camera here and there. and some of the boss fight can be frustrating when you do get it right not many games can match that exhilaration. I wouldn't say it was unfairly difficult it rewards you learning the game.

That said I've only done 2 on Normal so far, I did Black at Ninja Master and will probably try both the sigma versions on Master in the future.
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Krooner wrote:
the7k wrote:
I never play on Easy, with the exception of Ninja Gaiden 2 because that game is just broken, literally and figuratively. No good game designer would make a game that is so unfairly difficult.
I think Ninja Gaiden 2 is one of the exceptions. Gaiden gives you the tools to deal with what it throws at you, while you can be caught out by a shoddy camera here and there. and some of the boss fight can be frustrating when you do get it right not many games can match that exhilaration. I wouldn't say it was unfairly difficult it rewards you learning the game.

That said I've only done 2 on Normal so far, I did Black at Ninja Master and will probably try both the sigma versions on Master in the future.
Eh, there's been plenty of times that I died in NG2 where I knew exactly what I was supposed to do, but it was just flat out impossible for me to do it. I never had anywhere near this much trouble playing the first Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, etc. Even when I did finally kill a boss or survive certain tough spots, I never felt like I accomplished something - I just thought "Thank God that shit is over."
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I'd usually play the easiest/normal difficulty setting, and never go for Hard unless I know I can survive it - if not, I usually end up as a frustrated crying mess with dangerously high blood pressure... :lol:
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i listen to a lot of unbroken, so yeah, probably.
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Krooner wrote:
the7k wrote:
I never play on Easy, with the exception of Ninja Gaiden 2 because that game is just broken, literally and figuratively. No good game designer would make a game that is so unfairly difficult.
I think Ninja Gaiden 2 is one of the exceptions. Gaiden gives you the tools to deal with what it throws at you, while you can be caught out by a shoddy camera here and there. and some of the boss fight can be frustrating when you do get it right not many games can match that exhilaration. I wouldn't say it was unfairly difficult it rewards you learning the game.

That said I've only done 2 on Normal so far, I did Black at Ninja Master and will probably try both the sigma versions on Master in the future.
Correction, NG 2 rewards you for being CHEAP. It's a cheap game and it's only when you start abusing AI glitches, in game exploits, blind spots, abusing items/ninpo, etc. that you start making any real progress. Even the pros will admit that. You'll know what I mean once you try playing NG 2 on anything other than normal, at which point Itagaki pops up on your screen and tells you to bend over. It's the least balanced NG game ever made

Anyway, I think playing a game on a harder setting for a first playthrough is usually rather stupid. In many cases, you haven't REALLY experienced the game if you didn't play it on normal. One of the coolest moments in Resident Evil 4 involved a guy in a helicopter shooting down baddies and blowing up buildings while you fight off any enemies that head your way. On Pro difficulty, he flies around doing nothing to make that part harder and all the epicness of that part of the game is lost entirely. In Strangehold you have a bunch of cool abilities called Tequila bombs that are a large part of the game's fun factor. It's where the game gets some of its style. On the hardest setting, you so rarely get to refill the Tequila meter that the game just ends up feeling like another generic third person shooter. The game is harder this way sure, but it completely loses its identity in the process

The only time I will play a game on a harder setting from the get go is if I'm familiar with the developer or series. I know, for example, that Tomb Raider games are pretty much exactly the same no matter what difficulty setting you put them on. So you might as well start on hard and nab two achievements when you beat the game instead of one. Playing games on harder settings is usually something I do for bragging rights rather than fun. Although there are a small number of games out there that can up the difficulty while still retaining everything that makes the game fun, like the The Red Star on EX mode where they simply speed every thing up and I think it alters a few bosses' bullet patterns
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aaron wrote:i listen to a lot of unbroken, so yeah, probably.
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I dont usually play on the hardest difficulty my first play through, I usually go for easy or normal, then I work my way up.
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I've heard two schools of thought on this:

1) Play it on easy. You learn about the game without having all the pressure. After you beat it, you still have normal and difficult settings to defeat. If you start out on difficult and beat the game, you are done. If you start on easy, it's having two extra games to play.

2) Play it on difficult. How do you plan to get really good at the game by wasting your time on easy mode? The game designers designed difficult to be the normal level, but due to focus groups and reviews, they had to make it easier.

I usually go for normal settings, unless it's a game I consider myself a master of. I think it was JT who mentioned SF2. I wish the difficulty went up to 10.

That said, I play through my games. I don't pick up one game, get frustrated, and play something else just because I have plenty of games to play. I enjoy the challenge of difficult games. This is a big problem in the new retro community. There have been plenty of threads on here where people write, "What's a good retro game to play? I tried SMB3 (or any other semi-challenging game) but it was too hard so I don't like it". I don't understand why these people are into retro gaming at all. Most retro games are difficult and frustrating, but that's also why I like games like TMNT, Ninja Gaiden (nes), Castlevania, and the Mega Man series. The games aren't about instant gratification, something that today's youth no longer wants, but expects.

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Gamerforlife wrote: Anyway, I think playing a game on a harder setting for a first playthrough is usually rather stupid. In many cases, you haven't REALLY experienced the game if you didn't play it on normal. One of the coolest moments in Resident Evil 4 involved a guy in a helicopter shooting down baddies and blowing up buildings while you fight off any enemies that head your way. On Pro difficulty, he flies around doing nothing to make that part harder and all the epicness of that part of the game is lost entirely. In Strangehold you have a bunch of cool abilities called Tequila bombs that are a large part of the game's fun factor. It's where the game gets some of its style. On the hardest setting, you so rarely get to refill the Tequila meter that the game just ends up feeling like another generic third person shooter. The game is harder this way sure, but it completely loses its identity in the process
On the other hand, some games only find their identity when you play them on their hardest settings. Metal Gear Solid games, for instance.
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Definitely not a hardcore gamer in these kind of terms.

Although, I'm happy that this topic reminded me of a most wonderful image:

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