One fewer drunk on the roads

[aaron]

[Quiet Flight]

I hate the Drunk driving laws. I say if you kill someone while driving drunk, it's premeditated murder.

It not by its very definition.

http://www.drunkard.com/issues/08_02/08 ... g_madd.htm

[Luke]

To be fair, the man he hit ran illegally across the street in front of his car trying to catch a bus. Even if he hadnt been drinking and on drugs (he was high too) there is a good chance he would have hit the man, but who knows. Also, he was in jail for the incident, but only for just under a month (the sentence was just a little bit light.) He was suspended indefinitely from the NFL, I think he may be allowed reinstatement next year, but i'm not sure.

Of course the NFL will reinstate him, the guy can run with a ball. That's all the NFL needs to know.

It was broad daylight. The goof ball was all messed up. If any of us committed the same crime, we'd be fucked in the ass. Repeatedly.

Money>Justice

[Hobie-wan]

Good job sir, and glad the police got there before anyone was hurt.

The one time I called police for something really serious going on I doubt it helped. I stopped at a light behind a truck and the couple in it were having a full on fight. The guy was beating the crap out of the woman and she tried to jump out but got caught up in the seat belt and he must have grabbed her leg or something so she was kinda hanging out. He decided to run the light and she bounced a few times before he pulled her back in. I stopped at a pay phone a few hundred feet away and called 911 (this was years ago, I had no cell) and gave the license plate and whatnot. But this was in Houston so he could have gone anywhere even if a cop showed up on the road we were on heading in the correct direction minutes later.

[Luke]

I'll go on the record as saying I hate drunk drivers. Stoned drivers too. And people from the South who drive. I also don't like the way my Asian buddy "Andrew" Chow drives. Hate the way my Father in law drives too. I haven't personally known any black woman who can handle driving even a shopping cart without getting into an accident.

There are two types of drivers, assholes and idiots. Assholes drive faster than you, idiots drive slower.

[lordofduct]

I hate the Drunk driving laws. I say if you kill someone while driving drunk, it's premeditated murder. There was an NFL player who drove drunk and killed a man this year, and didn't serve a day in prison. Plus, most drunk drivers who kill someone, spend less than six years in prison. So here is a tip, if you really want someone dead, and don't want to serve life+ in prison, get drunk and run over them.

I totally get your point, but I think you're missing the idea of what a 'charge' is. A crime doesn't always consistantly have the same charge, the DA decides a charge under the circumstances of that specific crime.

Furthermore the defendant can plead or reduce the charge down from the original charge.

There has been many DUI related deaths where the defendant was charged with Murder of some sort (gross negligent, etc etc).

This doesn't mean that the fact you killed someone while drunk driving will get you off... that means those people you outlined had awesome freakin' lawyers. And it isn't the hand of the charge that caused them getting off, it was finagling in the legal system itself with a slick tongue.




Now 'premeditated'... no. Premeditated is very specific... you specifically decided to plan out the death of, or plan out the increased chance in death of a specific person, or group... OR you specifically planned ahead of time your escape route from, or evasion of, the arrest. It all has to occur prior to the actual act of starting to implement the murder.

As law goes you can't willy nilly throw a certain charge around, because it can set certain precidences that would allow people to have freedoms stripped from them.

To consider the act of drinking and driving accident being considered premeditation, a lawyer could easily spin that idea that the act of just drinking (because driving is an influenced choice of drinking) is the act of intent to conspire homicide. Yes drunk drivers are assholes, but that flies in the face of everything this country was built on.

Now if someone purposely intended to kill someone while drunk driving, that is premeditated murder, and they would be charge as such if the evidence of it was found. Because that is what it is. So to say drunk driving will get your sentence reduced is BS...

[Luke]

I never even mentioned "charges". The word "charge" isn't even in my post.

[lordofduct]

I never even mentioned "charges". The word "charge" isn't even in my post.

semantics



when i say 'charge'... as opposed to "charge"... I'm highlighting the word, basically like italics (in a medium like this, it isn't so simple to write italics, and the act of using single quotes to highlight terms is a common practice in many fields). Your statement references several charges where people got slaps on the wrist, and naming a drunk driving accident with a death as "premeditated murder", which is a charge.

You semantical rebuttal is like if you were talking about oranges, and I referred to fruit, and you said "I wasn't talking about fruit, I never said fruit once."


Now if I missed your point, then what did you mean by calling it "premeditated murder".

[Hatta]

Cops in your area move fast!

There's really not much for them to do in rural Nebraska.

[Luke]

You semantical rebuttal is like if you were talking about oranges, and I referred to fruit, and you said "I wasn't talking about fruit, I never said fruit once."

You Sir, have fruit on the brain.