Question For Those Who Own Both a 360 and PS3

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Niode wrote:The hardware does malfunction. It's getting to the point where it's almost as bad as the 360. Failure rates are creeping up, especially on the older models.
Do you have some evidence of this - that it is "almost as bad as the 360"? I know that the PS3 has some failure problems, but I didn't think they were anywhere near those of the 360. Or are you making assumptions based on what you've seen in forums, etc.?

In many ways I think I am the opposite of Niode - I own a Sony TV, home theater, numerous headphones, portable players, cameras, etc. and have always found their equipment to be of excellent build quality - the Sony stuff I own has always lasted for a looong time and been well worth the investment. They are my preferred brand for almost all electronics (unless I feel the need to shell out for really high-end stuff).

I own both systems and prefer the dualshock for all kinds of games (better d-pad, more responsive/tactile thumb sticks, better button labeling and placement, etc.) I usually buy PS3 versions unless the 360 version is known to be significantly better in terms of graphics, etc. I probably play the PS3 3:1 or 4:1 over the time I give to the 360, which I primarily use to play exclusives like the Raiden games, Halo games, etc. I do not pay for XBL Gold, as it doesn't provide a single thing of interest that I can't get on the PSN or XBL Silver for free. I don't find the download/install times to be that much worse than those on the 360, and they certainly aren't unreasonable.
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well,
4/5 consoles my friends and I bought RRODed, the one that didn't,gets played like once a month so no surprise. On the opposite of the ps3's, i know no one who had a malfunction in his ps3.
So this is a real life thing.

As for ps3 controller batteries, whatever happens with ps3 you can still recharge. With 360 you must make sure you have a stock of batteries, otherwise you have to leave him to play the console. So I see ps3 wins.

I say free Bluray(i know it is included in the price) but compare it.
The 360 120 GB is $300, the ps3 120GB is $300
so you get a gaming console for $300.....but with ps3 it is a FREE Bluray player. Cheap BR players are at least $150 as it seems....so that is saving $150 right away, not to mention the ps3 has Wifi included.
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@ kingmohd84

In this country the Elite 360 is £200 with 3 free games an extra controller and an HD cable. PS3 is £250 with Uncharted 2, no HD cable at all, just a completely worthless SD composite cable (yes, not even a RGB SCART cable).

So your figures don't quite add up, if they charge what you say they do in your country then they are over-charging on the 360s and it's not a fair evaluation of the value of each respective system.

@ dsheinem

I'm going on my research into the YLOD failure rates and why they fail. Looking at interviews with console repair companies such as this one:

"In terms of the scale of the problem, and failure ratios versus the Xbox 360, it is very difficult to put a number on just how many PS3s are malfunctioning. In the case of a relatively small-scale operation like Colchester Computers, working on average, they'll get 20 dead consoles to fix each day - 12 of them will be Xbox 360s, eight of them will be PlayStation 3s. But that's an average. As Thickbroom says, "sometimes, in a hectic week, we can have entire palettes of consoles coming in.""

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... cle?page=2

That's as close to 'almost as bad as the 360' as you can get. Granted that's just one repair company, but I can imagine that it's fairly similar for a lot of companies.

The scale of the problem is nowhere near the 0.5% that Sony claim. That would make 125,000~ faulty systems out of 25~million. However I would put money on it being about a 1 in 5 chance that a 60g PS3 will fail, and a 1 in 10 chance a 40G or 80G fat PS3 will fail. The failure rates for the slims I have no idea, it's too early to tell.

Regarding the download and install times, both my 40G PS3 (which is currently at my mother's house) and my 60G PS3 experience the same slow as shit download/install times. So I'm pretty sure it's a problem with the PS3 as a whole rather than a problem with my specific consoles. Since the PS3 at my mother's house is on a wireless network, and mine is wired straight to the router. They both take the same amount of time to do system updates (tested with 3.01 update). It's something fundamentally flawed with either the PS3 or the servers that issue the updates. It shouldn't take 30 minutes to download an 100MB update on 5~mbps internet. Let alone my 20~mbps internet.
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Niode wrote:
@ dsheinem

I'm going on my research into the YLOD failure rates and why they fail. Looking at interviews with console repair companies such as this one:

"In terms of the scale of the problem, and failure ratios versus the Xbox 360, it is very difficult to put a number on just how many PS3s are malfunctioning. In the case of a relatively small-scale operation like Colchester Computers, working on average, they'll get 20 dead consoles to fix each day - 12 of them will be Xbox 360s, eight of them will be PlayStation 3s. But that's an average. As Thickbroom says, "sometimes, in a hectic week, we can have entire palettes of consoles coming in.""

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... cle?page=2

That's as close to 'almost as bad as the 360' as you can get. Granted that's just one repair company, but I can imagine that it's fairly similar for a lot of companies.

The scale of the problem is nowhere near the 0.5% that Sony claim. That would make 125,000~ faulty systems out of 25~million.
I doubt repair shops get many of the faulty 360s since MS is very good with fixing the problem via mail (and for free). Sony's customer service on the YLOD is horrendous, and I imagine that shops get more of those as a result (since people don't want to send it to Sony). So I don't know that this kind of source holds much weight in the whole debate...

Even if you double Sony's estimate and say that 1% of PS3s fail, I think that I remember reading that the 360 rates are easily in the double digits for failure rate...I know Game Informer did a survey that placed the number very high (although there are plenty of problems with that survey, too..).

I feel like I always end up debating the PS3 vs. 360 with you, Niode. :) One of these days - perhaps once the next gen comes along and the history of these consoles is written - we should have a massive throwdown thread. Truth is, there are things I enjoy and things that irk me about each system - in the end, for me, the pros outweigh the cons by a wide margin on the PS3.
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I can't buy the whole "PS3s malfunction just as much as 360s" deal. Based on my experience at GameStop, we get about 10 broken X360s traded in every week. I've only seen one or two broken PS3s in the past 3 months. Obviously, more people have 360s than PS3s, but I still think that that says something.
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For me, I refuse to pay micro$oft MORE money just to play online. For christ sakes...its billgates...your telling me he cant make something online and as stable as ps3 for free? Thats a joke. I love both systems, but when it comes to anything I am seriously going to play, its going to be on the ps3.
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@Niode

Those are USA prices I found on Amazon I thought they are fair country to argue about.
I am sure that the NON-HD cable that comes with the ps3 is a tiny problem considering you are getting a Bluray player.

Uncharted 2 is a great new game. What are the 3 games shipped with 360? Usually they ship crap that is not worth it in the first place.

I won't put in my country's prices because here they suck your blood. The Wii was $1000+ retail! the ps3 might have been 1.5 times that (When they were new), and that is not because of tax but because stores here are blood suckers.
One store is selling gamecube games after 20% discount(this is before yesterday) for over $60!!!
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@ kingmohd84

The games are Pure (not a bad game, 85 on metacritic), Lego batman (not brilliant but still worth trading in for cash) and Fifa 10 (according to most critics, the best football game you can buy). So if you like those games then you're laughing. Personally I would get the bundle for £200 and sell them all brand new on ebay and make about £50-60 which makes the console a complete steal at £140-150. In fact I'm heavily considering getting the Elite because I want a bigger drive, and the 120GB drives are £90 over here. So for an extra £60 I could have an entire console. I would probably be up on the deal if I sold my existing 360, but I'll probably just give that to my fiancée.

@dsheinem

Yes it does seem that way, it's either you or the7k. I see the advantages and disadvantages of both consoles, but for some reason I keep going back to my 360. I have no idea why I prefer that console. I guess the PS3 just doesn't have as many games I'm interested in. I have around 40-50 (haven't checked in a while) games for the 360 and only 10 games for the PS3.

I will definitely be putting a thread on here called "360 vs PS3 who won the war?" it will be the most flamingly awesome thread this place has ever known, and will quite possibly cause the collapse of not only the forum, but civilised society as we know it.
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I don't own both but have played both. So far to me it doesn't seem like either has a huge advantage or disadvantage over the other. I am not into online and achivements, don't care for blu-ray. I am at the point where I can't decide. I am mostly in to retro so a lot of the newer games don't appeal to me, so there goes all the exclusives. At first glance it seems like the buying the xbox360 you would save money with a low start up price and a lot of budget titles, but then you add the wireless internet, xbox live, and batteries/recharge station you are back at the same price of the ps3. So money isn't a determining factor either.

In the end I will for now stick to my older systems and wii, but when the ps4 and xbox720 come out thats probably when this gen of systems will appeal to me. And no I don't think the wii is a better system its just cheaper and I do have a loyalty with Nintendo. I feel its the best console for the retro gamer. I do feel the others are becoming more retro friendly with Sonic ultimate collection, new Raidens and the upcoming downloadable games.
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You pay money, you love it, you hate it, shit breaks, move on.
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