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[jfrost]

Meh, I hate Gunnm.

Everyone here alludes to problems of "modern anime" but I wanted to have these flaws pointed out. Really, anime nowadays doesn't seem to be any worse than ten years ago, unless you fault every cartoon for not being on a par with Cowboy Bebop, which is ridiculous.

I, for one, watch Bleach and One Piece and am very happy with both. Couldn't care less about Naruto, which seems horrible, but, yeah, I watch two mainstream shonen animes and find them awesome.

[Mozgus]

Meh, I hate Gunnm.

I hope you're talking about the short OVA and not the actual manga. If you are, you're certifiably insane. The 9 volume manga was brilliant.

[jfrost]

I only read the manga. Hated it.

[Ack]

Here's a few issues I've noticed overall:

1. In many series I've seen, computer animation has become more and more prevalent, while actual animation quality is deteriorating.

2. Most series to me feel like rehash of older series. I keep seeing the same tired jokes and ideas that were in the genre throughout the 1990s(and likely appeared a bit in the 1980s, though I don't recall them nearly as much).

3. I don't enjoy absurdly long series. though these seem to be the titles that are dominating, and have been for close to a decade. Around 2000, Dragonball Z became really popular, followed by Inuyasha, followed by Naruto and One Piece. Every convention I've ever gone to has been loaded with these, depending on the year I go. They're far too long for me to take any notice of, yet their over exposure seems to block out the potential release of anything else that might be worth checking out.

4. Not really an issue with anime itself, the American fan base is very annoying to me, partly in attitude, partly in age. Part of the reason I avoid anime conventions nowadays is because I'm often a decade older than many of the kids there.

5. With the over exposure in American markets, the magic is gone. No longer is anime this thing that you and five of your friends knew about. No more is there the sticking of crappily ripped VHS tapes in each other's lockers so everyone can finally watch Ghost in the Shell. No more is there the feeling of making some incredibly discovery when someone stumbles on a new series or film accidentally. Again, I know it's not an issue with the actual anime, it's an issue with the audience, but part of what got me into anime just isn't there anymore. It's not something that all the uber-geek guys while not reading Star Wars books and programming their own games and viruses, it's now something that all those freaking weeaboo kids is doing, and it's killed the spirit of the whole thing for me. The mystery of this thing from the east just isn't there anymore.

But on the upside, I'll still have the memories of turning on the Sci Fi channel in hopes of catching some of Project Ako at 3 in the morning. And I've got all those memories, like the first time I watched Vampire Hunter D. And not that 2000 version, but the 1985 release that was so stunning and gory to me, and yet so obviously '80s. Good times.

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

Here's a few issues I've noticed overall:

1. In many series I've seen, computer animation has become more and more prevalent, while actual animation quality is deteriorating.

2. Most series to me feel like rehash of older series. I keep seeing the same tired jokes and ideas that were in the genre throughout the 1990s(and likely appeared a bit in the 1980s, though I don't recall them nearly as much).

3. I don't enjoy absurdly long series. though these seem to be the titles that are dominating, and have been for close to a decade. Around 2000, Dragonball Z became really popular, followed by Inuyasha, followed by Naruto and One Piece. Every convention I've ever gone to has been loaded with these, depending on the year I go. They're far too long for me to take any notice of, yet their over exposure seems to block out the potential release of anything else that might be worth checking out.

4. Not really an issue with anime itself, the American fan base is very annoying to me, partly in attitude, partly in age. Part of the reason I avoid anime conventions nowadays is because I'm often a decade older than many of the kids there.

5. With the over exposure in American markets, the magic is gone. No longer is anime this thing that you and five of your friends knew about. No more is there the sticking of crappily ripped VHS tapes in each other's lockers so everyone can finally watch Ghost in the Shell. No more is there the feeling of making some incredibly discovery when someone stumbles on a new series or film accidentally. Again, I know it's not an issue with the actual anime, it's an issue with the audience, but part of what got me into anime just isn't there anymore. It's not something that all the uber-geek guys while not reading Star Wars books and programming their own games and viruses, it's now something that all those freaking weeaboo kids is doing, and it's killed the spirit of the whole thing for me. The mystery of this thing from the east just isn't there anymore.

But on the upside, I'll still have the memories of turning on the Sci Fi channel in hopes of catching some of Project Ako at 3 in the morning. And I've got all those memories, like the first time I watched Vampire Hunter D. And not that 2000 version, but the 1985 release that was so stunning and gory to me, and yet so obviously '80s. Good times.

Absolutely agreed, while us few who truly became captivated and enthralled by the hobby by having started ourselves on quality titles still appreciate the medium for what it truly is, but the newer generation of Anime fans that simply took the medium for granted stole all the life from it and left it to rot; all the while having a cocky smirk on their stupid little faces thinking that they're some freaking genius for having thought that they're the biggest fans in the world.

I also lament the loss of traditional ink and paint film cel animation, it's as if when the last few series and movies using it wrapped up the studios all took it as a sign to begin ignoring how to properly draw characters, leaving any attention to detail, replaced true colors with poorly imitaled digital variants, and the true soul of the production was lost due to no longer having to keep oneself in check and making sure to keep each frame up to par as now you could simply toss it and redraw it without consequence.

I particularly enjoy that some companies still produce high quality series and films though such as, Gainax, Clamp, and Production IG but even there the shortcomings and mistakes of 'weeaboo' Anime is beginning to become readily apparent.

[MrEco]

Wait, are Death Note and Code Geass considered mainstream?

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

Wait, are Death Note and Code Geass considered mainstream?

Death Note, yes.

Code Geass, slowly becoming moreso everyday.

[ZeroAX]

I used to love anime, but now I can't stand it.

1) I couldn't stand the nerds, having a orgasm over Japan.
"ooh japan is the greatest, because they have anime and video games"

how RETARTED does that sound? Have you actually been to the country?
Nooooooo. THen why say it's great for such a retarted reason?

It's like saying the USA is great, for burger king and taco bell.
Are they good things? Yeah. Are they reasons to love a country? Hell no.



2) They are so unoriginal. Like Ack said, they have gone from being funny, to being dull. The only original anime I've seen in 5 years, is Haruhi Suzumiya and Deathnote (though the second wasn't funny).


3) I just read the manga, because animation quality has become crap, and the fillers are killing me (for most series).




and btw even when I did watch anime, I pirated.

The dubs always suck anyway, cutting the nice music and replacing it with god knows that.
Also I think the DVDs are a ripoff. Imo you can't charge more than 20-30 euro for 36 episodes.
And lastly the anime has allready, filled it's original porpuse, that is to be aired for free, in Japanese television, with tv ads. I wouldn't mind, downloading them with adds, but paying for a dub I don't want, to see a chopped up version of the original? No thanks

[jfrost]

@Ack

About your first point, I don't see it that way, at least as far as One Piece and Bleach are concerned (and I mention them because they are the most mainstream animes I watch, thus being more prone to have cheap episodes and so on). At least since HD arrived, image quality seems to be more consistent than ever, even if animation doesn't always hold up. But that's always a problem when you have these huge series that are filled with... filler. Yes, filler is generally of such low quality it hurts.

I can't comment much on your point about rehashes of tired ideas. One Piece is the one anime that feels "old school" that I watch. But, much like Dragon Quest, while it doesn't bring much innovation to the table (the author repeatedly likens his work to Dragon Ball), it is more about the excellence in the execution of tested concepts.

Now, I agree that these kinds of series are too damn long, and they're further stretched with non-canonical shit that pisses everyone off. If I had any say in the matter, I'd tell them to use the American series system: broadcast a series for 6-8 months, leave the rest of the year vacant. That way the manga can open distance and we won't be treated to crap stories just to fill a time slot.

As to the fanbase of anime, I can't really comment, because I don't have much contact with them. I do appreciate their commitment to things like subbing (mostly quality work) and spreading the word about the works they like.

Generally, however, I agree with you. Most anime forums I've visited casually seem to be exclusively populated with retarded people, it must be on their TOSs.

[Ack]

Generally, however, I agree with you. Most anime forums I've visited casually seem to be exclusively populated with retarded people, it must be on their TOSs.

Trust me, it's there. I've seen it.