RemyC wrote:I shall restate my stance...again.
Seems we have a toxic genius on our hands.RemyC wrote:From here on I will not reply in this discussion, unless someone brings up an argument about me being wrong about The guitar hero/Rock band controllers not being dumbed down guitars.
Hatta wrote:Die Hard Arcade has Deep Scan in it. That's like retro inside retro. They must have heard we liked retro (dawg).
Jrecee wrote:What I like to do is knit little sweaters to put on the games.
I play a very little bit of guitar, and I think guitar hero is awesome. This is seriously a silly argument. Now let me preface this by saying I do not take my playing real guitar very seriously at all I don't ever really practice to get better I just play it every now and then or have a friend show how to play a new song and thats the way I like it, but when I play guitar hero I always play fast songs like Slayer Reign in Blood or something like that cause I know I'm never going to take the time to learn how to really play that song. All guitar hero is is a way for non musicians to interact with music. Yes your time could be better spent learning new and respectable skills but its just a bit of fun, get over it man. I think your taking all those people who are obsessed with the game and thinking that that is however everyone views the game. Not everyone who picks up guitar hero is an aspiring musician.RemyC wrote: The same can be said about you. No one has given me a reason to accept Rock Band/Guitar Hero has a game, other than it being, "fun".
I literally see people playing along to quality songs...but with a dinky guitar, and 5 buttons.
In every other simulation game their is something more complex than following a rhythm. Following a rhythm is literally what you do when playing guitar. The skill directly translates. The only reason why a Guitar Hero/Rock band player can't pick up a real guitar and play it is, because they've spent all their time with a dinky guitar. Had they been spending the time with a real guitar, they would probably have some legitimate skills to show for it.
If the next Guitar Hero/Rock Band game, had a controller with a full fretboard to play with, as opposed to the 5 dinky buttons...maybe then I'd acknowledge it as a legitimate game.
No one is going to argue that point. You're correct. What everyone is arguing is that there is no point in "upgrading" to a real guitar. Because an increase in challenge is never necessarily an increase in fun. Especially since the increase in difficulty in playing a real guitar is very often too much. If something is too hard for you to do you've gotten past the point of challenge and will no longer be having fun at all.RemyC wrote:Because you guys dont respond to my questions...So I decided to take another approach, after illustrating my thoughts about Guitar hero/Rock band.
I shall restate my stance...again.
Guitar Hero/Rock band plays much like a real musician would play their instrument. You have to follow a tempo, and strum a rhythm, while positioning your fingers on chords. Since challenge is what makes games enjoyable (explained earlier in the "discussion"), Wouldn't it be far more enjoyable to spend the time learning a real instrument?
With responses like, "It provides instant gratification since I can play the song right away", I believe that you are selling yourself short. From here on I will not reply in this discussion, unless someone brings up an argument about me being wrong about The guitar hero/Rock band controllers not being dumbed down guitars.
Challenge is relative. If playing a game on easy mode is overwhelming for you, then that is the challenge. Take time and get better, as you would with anything in life.MrEco wrote:an increase in challenge is never necessarily an increase in fun.
Slowly take the time to incrimentaly get better at the guitar. If they have time to goof off with Rock Band/Guitar hero, they have time to study the guitar.MrEco wrote:You yourself said that it takes a lot of time to learn to play a real guitar. What about people that have busy lives? Someone who works long hours, or has to constantly study for school. What are they suppose to do? The answer:
You're missing the point. Not everyone thinks challenge is relative. Try and pay attention. If something is easy, that's it. All it guarantee's is that it's too easy. It does not necessarily guarantee less fun. Maybe you think that. Maybe you have less fun if something is too easy, but not everyone. You cannot guarantee that everyone will have less fun. You can only guarantee that for yourself.RemyC wrote:Challenge is relative. If playing a game on easy mode is overwhelming for you, then that is the challenge. Take time and get better, as you would with anything in life.MrEco wrote:an increase in challenge is never necessarily an increase in fun.
I'm not arguing this. It is factual. To a toddler, walking is a challenge. To everyone else, it is a daily routine that you barely have to focus on to accomplish. To someone that has never touched a soccer ball (foot ball), basic ball handling would be a challenge. To a world class soccer player (footballer), it would be second nature.MrEco wrote:Not everyone thinks challenge is relative
I'm not pushing my beliefs on any of you. None of you seem to appreciate a debate.MrEco wrote:Stop assuming people have to share the same opinions as you.
the coloured blocks require you to press a button on beat, as they reach the bottom of the screen. Much like a real guitarist would strum his guitar on beat, to the rhythm of the song.CaptainWeasel wrote:I play it to hit colored blocks on a screen with a proprietary controller to the sounds of music that I like. This is what I feel is the point of rhythm games.
Why do you believe that you are not cheating yourself?CaptainWeasel wrote:I really don't have the urge to learn how to play a real guitar, but I know I possess the capabilities to do so. Does that mean I'm cheating myself? No.
If you would be as so kind as to work with me, perhaps we can figure it out.CaptainWeasel wrote:I feel like Remy is trying to argue the wrong point here, but I can't figure out what the real argument should be.
