Anyone else think this guy is crazy?

[RCBH928]

Ok, I am making an excuse for fighters and puzzle games, maybe 2D still works for those two genres.
I am not sure why you are telling me about the bang for the buck thing, sure 5 games for the price of one is really cool but more people are willing to buy the 1 new expensive game than 5 older ones.

Look about the 3D part here is what. Not just that a game is in 3D it is better, 3D can be bad. But done right it will be superior to 2D. I am trying to make a comparison, think of audio tape and CD's. If a song was on a CD, but the simplest scratch will make it skip and if the CD medium hangs up a lot even if it has higher quality sound , perfectly working tapes are better. But if the CD is durable, and the quality of the songs play for hours with no damage done then it is better than the audio tapes. I hope you got the idea. 3D is like a monster next to 2D, it just opens a whole new, how can I say this, dimension?

I know they are the same people that make Hannah shatter The Beatles but what are you going to do? This is mainstream and companies exist to serve them and take their money, and whatever they want they will do. This is why 2D is not the main thing any more .

Story IS the single most important aspect of a videogame
but while that is an opinion
Fighters and platformers can be proven by numbers. We all know that Mortal Kombat and Street Fighters were enough reasons to buy a genesis/snes back then. People were dying for an exact arcade port. Platformers were mainstream with Sonic and Super Mario are system sellers. How many platformers are out there today? I asked this question the other day here and some one told me they were replaced by the likes of Ninja Gaiden and Devil May Cry. So are fighters , they are not main stream they definitely lost their place. How many new fighter IPs have we seen lately? I am guessing the newest is Soul Caliber.

You have to agree the greatest thing out there now are 3rd person adventure(GTA, Zelda) FPS(Halo, Killzone, COD), and Guitar Hero .

[RemyC]

I am not sure why you are telling me about the bang for the buck thing, sure 5 games for the price of one is really cool but more people are willing to buy the 1 new expensive game than 5 older ones.

When you argue that a game has more value, because of its price tag, you are buying into capitalist propaganda.

Not just that a game is in 3D it is better, 3D can be bad. But done right it will be superior to 2D. I am trying to make a comparison, think of audio tape and CD's

No idea what you are trying to say with this whole analogy...cassettes and CD's are not like 2D and 3D.

3D is like a monster next to 2D, it just opens a whole new, how can I say this, dimension?

It literally does, but by doing so, it eliminates so many viable options for a game.

So are fighters , they are not main stream they definitely lost their place. How many new fighter IPs have we seen lately?

Tournaments are CONSTANTLY packed for 2D fighters (New and old, they don't become obsolete, when the new kid on the block arrives). You are buying into propaganda again. It's not all over the TV, and the Gamespot sites, so you don't think its huge anymore...but trust me, it is.
I believe Blazblu would be one of the latest IPS. It came out a few months ago. (It's 2D in case you didn't know).

Story IS the single most important aspect of a videogame
but while that is an opinion

...Please don't get me started

You have to agree the greatest thing out there now are 3rd person adventure(GTA, Zelda) FPS(Halo, Killzone, COD), and Guitar Hero .

I dont agree with this. I have alot to say, but I'll stick to the biggest: Rhythm games are a waste of time; pick up a real instrument, or learn how to dance.

[MrEco]

I am not sure why you are telling me about the bang for the buck thing, sure 5 games for the price of one is really cool but more people are willing to buy the 1 new expensive game than 5 older ones.

That's so not true it's not even funny.

[dlmvii]

I dont agree with this. I have alot to say, but I'll stick to the biggest: Rhythm games are a waste of time; pick up a real instrument, or learn how to dance.

Oh come on now. Really, are people still saying that everyone who plays guitar hero should use their efforts to play a real guitar instead? Guitar Hero is a video game, not a marketable skill. As such, it's much easier and more fun for beginners. And if they goal is to have fun, how is this different than every other video game? You're just using a different controller.
I think playing FPS's are a waste of time. You should just join the Army.

[RemyC]

Really, are people still saying that everyone who plays guitar hero should use their efforts to play a real guitar instead? Guitar Hero is a video game, not a marketable skill. As such, it's much easier and more fun for beginners

Guitar hero tries to directly emulate the playing of a real guitar, but eliminates all the strings and in place puts a few buttons. However, they keep the illusion of you playing the song, by having you follow some ludicrous rhythm that very barely relates to the song.

if they goal is to have fun, how is this different than every other video game?

Alot of things are fun...doesn't mean they need to be a video game.

I think playing FPS's are a waste of time. You should just join the Army.

Now you are being silly. I don't even know where to start with this. Their are so many factors within a First person shooter that add its to complexity and challenge. The depth within a First person shooter makes guitar hero look like run-off water on the sidewalk.

[MrPopo]

Guitar hero tries to directly emulate the playing of a real guitar, but eliminates all the strings and in place puts a few buttons. However, they keep the illusion of you playing the song, by having you follow some ludicrous rhythm that very barely relates to the song.

I take it you've never played Rock Band on expert. By my ear all the "notes" correspond with actual notes in the song.

Alot of things are fun...doesn't mean they need to be a video game.

Doesn't mean they don't need to be either.

[RemyC]

I take it you've never played Rock Band on expert. By my ear all the "notes" correspond with actual notes in the song.

Even so, You are only playing with what, 5 buttons? Thats not even enough to construct a full octave range.

[vash23n]

I take it you've never played Rock Band on expert. By my ear all the "notes" correspond with actual notes in the song.

Even so, You are only playing with what, 5 buttons? Thats not even enough to construct a full octave range.

I am a guitar player and have been in bands my whole life and I used to have this same attitude when guitar hero first came out. My friends would come up and be like "I am so good at this game and can play every song." It would really annoy me because most of those songs I can play on a REAL guitar. Even worse, if I would play them and they would beat me? It's like Paul Bunyon getting beaten by the automated tree cutter. But then I realized that I was being dumb and maybe even a little childish. I think the main thing I was angry about was that I could play the real guitar and I wanted people to be impressed by that and not by me mastering some game. I was taking something people were having a lot of fun playing, something people wanted me to have fun playing too, and I was making them feel bad about it.

I have friends who have come home from being in the service and they still like to play FPS without rubbing how it really is or how inaccurate the controls are in my face. Once I let go a little and played guitar hero to just have fun, it WAS fun. It is still not my favorite game and I have never played it in a setting that wasn't a bunch of friends sitting around relaxing, but I appreciate it for what it is. It is one more game that has the potential to give a group of people something to do other than play beer pong.

[MrPopo]

I take it you've never played Rock Band on expert. By my ear all the "notes" correspond with actual notes in the song.

Even so, You are only playing with what, 5 buttons? Thats not even enough to construct a full octave range.

DDR only has four panels. That's not nearly enough for real dancing. Like vash said, you're spending too much time being critical of how it isn't "real" and ignoring the fact that it's still fun. I don't think there's anyone who feels they are ready for a real guitar after mastering expert in Rock Band (drums might be a different story), but that doesn't mean that the game is less fun as a result.

[RemyC]

Like vash said, you're spending too much time being critical of how it isn't "real" and ignoring the fact that it's still fun.

Video games are fun, because they are challenging. The challenge in rockband/guitar hero comes from learning the songs, and being able to play them flawlessly. If you would like to increase this challenge, therefore have more fun, wouldn't it be logical to pick up a real instrument, and spend time learning the songs that way?

Before anyone says, "stop playing first-person shooters, and pick up a real gun" I have the following to say:
A first person shooter has you learn a system of controls, and puts you into an environment where you have to put your understanding of these controls to the test. You need to learn the sensitivity of your motion, your reload time, how gravity effects your jumps, what weapons have what capabillities, layouts of maps...etc etc etc.
Rockband/Guitar hero are literally dumbed down instruments.