riseup wrote:Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:riseup, you seem to be missing my point I am speaking about consoles in a mainstream commercial success way, not an underground PC game success way. Also you have to remember that PC gaming is not a good way to represent success in the mainstream market, as in the late 80's PC games got versions made for every different type of computer C64 Amiga Apple II etc.. But the public majority will never accept PC gaming due to one key flaw it has yet to (and probably never achieve) standardization.
i left out one sentence which said basically said "and it possibly would of caused more creativity and less commercialization in the industry".. but i thought that goes without saying. now i find you are on the other spectrum than me. you think commercialization is good, and control is bad.
the computer didn't have any less standardization than consoles. everyone from plumbers to doctors learned the basic commands of dos, basic, and so on. for some who were lucky to be born at the right time and grew up in the early 80s, it was the motivator which would have them become programmers, a profession which obscene, often unwarranted pay if there ever was one.
you're taking your modern perception of computers and using it to look back in the past. sorry but it doesn't work that way. it was a different world. do i have to remind you 9 years ago most people were still on dial-up connections, doing in 1 day what would take 1 minute now. it took me 3-4 hours to download the quake demo when it came out.. which was like 9mb. now i can download it in 10 seconds flat.
people have short memories in general. but especially when it comes to the internet and technology such as computers and mobile phones. can you even imagine what your life was life before those? yet i bet there's plenty of l33t hax0rs in here who spend their mom's money on a new video card every 6 months.. just like you said.
it's true, with so many different processors, video drivers, it can be a real pain in the a$$ to just play a game. but it wasn't always so. look back, before directX, before spyware, before firewalls, before anti-cheat utilities, before gigs upon gigs of requirements, all you had to do was insert a floppy type install, and in 1 minute you'd be playing.
btw guys nice job derailing this thread even further. i'm all for thought provoking discussion but discussing monitor prices, AGAIN, that's just taking a piss.
First off I don't basically mean anything. I was talking about how computers differ from consoles nothing more. I never said anything about commercialization or creativity, and their impact on the industry as that wasn't my topic of discussion. What I was talking about in that omitted sentence was the difference between mass market titles and gamer-centric ones. I also don't believe that commercialization is good, I think of it as a balancing act. One one end you have creative new ideas and experiences, but on the other you have the cost of marketing, development, testing and distribution to worry about.
You also seem to be confusing yourself on the issue of standardization, as I don't simply mean software but hardware as well. It wouldn't matter if you wrote all the most OS intercompatible game code in the world as it's instantly worthless if the hardware isn't able to decipher the instructions it's being given. So what if you or somebody else is good at programming code on let's say an Amiga, that doesn't mean that if he re-wrote the code for a Mac (Apple II) that it would be instantly be compatible with every Mac other than the Apple II without platform/hardware specific ports.
I grew up in the Windows 98 age so I'm no stranger to floppies, dial-up and command lines. I had dial-up until late 04', and fondly remember waiting hours to watch grainy quicktime videos on the net, along with how every day was a new experience with constantly updating software.
The only computer I personally own is an old Windows 98 box I keep tucked away in the closet until I get a place to put it. The family has a Win XP box in the office where I do all my computing. I've never owned a cell phone either, so I don't really know/care on that end of the spectrum.
Also don't brag about how you're not derailing a thread when you're the one trying to talk about politics and education.
just like these days, you're penalized for purchasing a real copy, and you don't get the awesome techno demo.
but should that get in the way of you writing a coherent sentence?