PSP-Go! has been revealed...

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jfrost wrote:Sony does make money off the second hand market. People are more willing to spend money on games they will be able to sell off later than they are with titles they're stuck with.
That is a very nebulous statistic. I don't doubt that there is some percentage of people who wouldn't buy a game because they couldn't resell it, but coming up with a number is very hard. Especially when you consider that if a unit of GTA4 sells the publisher makes the same amount of money whether it sells at $50 or $5, as long as it's new. So all the people who might buy a $50 game at retail and resell it might instead wait for it to hit $30 instead. In both instances the same amount of money is made on the supply side.
None of the services you listed sell games for the same price as retail stores do (are you willing to pay 50-60 dollars on a game you can't sell later?). Rather, they sell games for cheap (mostly). It might be a sustainable business model, but it is substantially different from the audience Sony was targeting with the first installments of the PSP, so it is also a dangerous strategy.
Then let's throw in Steam. They frequently sell games for what would be full retail price. Granted, PC games have traditionally been about $10 cheaper than console games, but that's due to licensing costs reflected at the register. You don't have to pay anyone to make a PC game, but you do have to pay Sony to make a PS3 game.

Personally, I don't think the console world (which includes handhelds) is ready for download-only services. With the PC world and services like Steam you still have all the assests on your drive in an easily shareable form. The only think you would lack is the Steam server to authenticate against before the game will launch. A hacked exe can bypass that and you're good to go. So you have a bit more security in that you know it will be easy to get your Steam games to run after Valve dies, or that you'll be able to find a good torrent of Half-Life 2 and rock out with it after a HDD crash. Getting backups of the downloadable games to run on the consoles is no small task. Plus, a very large portion of the Steam library has no protection whatsoever. The id pack, X-COM, a good portion of the Unreal pack, all can be bought by one person and given to all his buddies. But the console is a very closed platform.
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MyNESstayFR3SH wrote:I bought the original psp(with the 32mb chip SMH) and I hated it, games were decent(the ones realesed around that time) the chips were expensive and everything and the joint was big(pauz) and couldn't fit it in my pocket... BUT it basically stood in the box after the first few months of play and then this past x-mas I sold it for a hundred bones...

THANK GOD... this joint looks so much better... just when I was feeling like crap for selling mine, being that I'm about to cop a PS3 and would have loved to play psx games on the go...and I always wanted to play MGS portable ops

ME HAPPY. Hope it's between 150 and 200... over that and thats TOO much yash(I keeps it cheap)
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Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:
MyNESstayFR3SH wrote:I bought the original psp(with the 32mb chip SMH) and I hated it, games were decent(the ones realesed around that time) the chips were expensive and everything and the joint was big(pauz) and couldn't fit it in my pocket... BUT it basically stood in the box after the first few months of play and then this past x-mas I sold it for a hundred bones...

THANK GOD... this joint looks so much better... just when I was feeling like crap for selling mine, being that I'm about to cop a PS3 and would have loved to play psx games on the go...and I always wanted to play MGS portable ops

ME HAPPY. Hope it's between 150 and 200... over that and thats TOO much yash(I keeps it cheap)
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so $250 is the price, you pay more for not having a UMD drive and a smaller screen. Its going to sell like hotcakes
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:
MyNESstayFR3SH wrote:I bought the original psp(with the 32mb chip SMH) and I hated it, games were decent(the ones realesed around that time) the chips were expensive and everything and the joint was big(pauz) and couldn't fit it in my pocket... BUT it basically stood in the box after the first few months of play and then this past x-mas I sold it for a hundred bones...

THANK GOD... this joint looks so much better... just when I was feeling like crap for selling mine, being that I'm about to cop a PS3 and would have loved to play psx games on the go...and I always wanted to play MGS portable ops

ME HAPPY. Hope it's between 150 and 200... over that and thats TOO much yash(I keeps it cheap)
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:
MyNESstayFR3SH wrote:I bought the original psp(with the 32mb chip SMH) and I hated it, games were decent(the ones realesed around that time) the chips were expensive and everything and the joint was big(pauz) and couldn't fit it in my pocket... BUT it basically stood in the box after the first few months of play and then this past x-mas I sold it for a hundred bones...

THANK GOD... this joint looks so much better... just when I was feeling like crap for selling mine, being that I'm about to cop a PS3 and would have loved to play psx games on the go...and I always wanted to play MGS portable ops

ME HAPPY. Hope it's between 150 and 200... over that and thats TOO much yash(I keeps it cheap)
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MrPopo wrote:
jfrost wrote:Sony does make money off the second hand market. People are more willing to spend money on games they will be able to sell off later than they are with titles they're stuck with.
That is a very nebulous statistic. I don't doubt that there is some percentage of people who wouldn't buy a game because they couldn't resell it, but coming up with a number is very hard. Especially when you consider that if a unit of GTA4 sells the publisher makes the same amount of money whether it sells at $50 or $5, as long as it's new. So all the people who might buy a $50 game at retail and resell it might instead wait for it to hit $30 instead. In both instances the same amount of money is made on the supply side.
I wasn't trying to come up with a statistic, but with a general rule. If you take away the ability of the customer of reselling (or even lending a game), the tendency is for its value to decrease. Obviously, there are games that will sell the same regardless, but taking away the ability of the customer to whatever he wants with the product he purchased can only depreciate the value he attributes to it.
None of the services you listed sell games for the same price as retail stores do (are you willing to pay 50-60 dollars on a game you can't sell later?). Rather, they sell games for cheap (mostly). It might be a sustainable business model, but it is substantially different from the audience Sony was targeting with the first installments of the PSP, so it is also a dangerous strategy.
Then let's throw in Steam. They frequently sell games for what would be full retail price. Granted, PC games have traditionally been about $10 cheaper than console games, but that's due to licensing costs reflected at the register. You don't have to pay anyone to make a PC game, but you do have to pay Sony to make a PS3 game.

Personally, I don't think the console world (which includes handhelds) is ready for download-only services. With the PC world and services like Steam you still have all the assests on your drive in an easily shareable form. The only think you would lack is the Steam server to authenticate against before the game will launch. A hacked exe can bypass that and you're good to go. So you have a bit more security in that you know it will be easy to get your Steam games to run after Valve dies, or that you'll be able to find a good torrent of Half-Life 2 and rock out with it after a HDD crash. Getting backups of the downloadable games to run on the consoles is no small task. Plus, a very large portion of the Steam library has no protection whatsoever. The id pack, X-COM, a good portion of the Unreal pack, all can be bought by one person and given to all his buddies. But the console is a very closed platform.
I confess I'm not familiar with Steam (I don't PC game). But, as you said, might be a cultural issue regarding PC gamers.
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Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:¿Usted habla alemán?
And better
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General_Norris wrote:
Mod_Man_Extreme wrote:¿Usted habla alemán?
And better
¿Habla usted alemán?
Ich habe eine Deutschexam am Freitag. Das ist nich gut...
I'm sorry for writing it incorrectly as I've only been speaking it since I was three.

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^ Meh I have more mistakes on my posts than anyone else so... :lol:
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