The Wrestling Thread

[Raging Justice]

I don't know why I still post here. Mostly stupid, trash people on this forum. A forum that's mostly dead anyway.

Peace out.

[ElkinFencer10]

Lol we're stupid because we call out a racist sack of shit for being a racist sack of shit? Didn't realize we were supposed to be a pro-racism forum.

[marurun]

Hulk Hogan was good for the public face of wrestling back in the 80s and early 90s, but behind the scenes he was not good for wrestling, screwed over a lot of fellow wrestlers, and as Elk put it, he's also a racist sack of shit. So yeah, I'm not going to celebrate the dude.

[Markies]

There are only two people who were wrestlers that everybody knows.

One is the Rock. The other is Hulk Hogan.

With that in mind, I think this pictures sums him up the best.

[Limewater]

This thread is going way off-track, but I would like to remind readers that a lot of the games that we love were also probably made by people who were or are racist. They just weren't publicly caught like Hogan, or they spent their lives living in a monoculture where their racism was normalized, or their racism didn't make much practical difference because they never interacted with people outside of their own race.

You've probably all mourned and eulogized "racist sacks of shit." You've probably all praised "racist sacks of shit."

I'm not going to excuse or minimize anything the man has done. I can go into detail on his public personal failings and how they have tainted my image of the man behind the character. Throwing that up on a random thread on a little-visited message board about old video games would probably feel pretty good. But pragmatically, I weight the potential outcomes.

Y'all have done a bang-up job of alienating an another active poster. Kudos.

[marurun]

This thread is going way off-track, but I would like to remind readers that a lot of the games that we love were also probably made by people who were or are racist. They just weren't publicly caught like Hogan, or they spent their lives living in a monoculture where their racism was normalized, or their racism didn't make much practical difference because they never interacted with people outside of their own race.

You've probably all mourned and eulogized "racist sacks of shit." You've probably all praised "racist sacks of shit."

I cannot judge people by their thoughts or the things they've done of which I am unaware. I can, however, reflect on a public figure's actions and foibles.

I'm not going to excuse or minimize anything the man has done.

Good, because that would be very problematic. I think it's appropriate to weigh a person's totality, and that requires engaging actively with their legacy, good and bad.

But pragmatically, I weight the potential outcomes.

Y'all have done a bang-up job of alienating an another active poster. Kudos.

Nobody has been cruel or inappropriate to them. There were no insults thrown at them, just some disagreements over how to view an important passing in professional wrestling, discussion relevant to the topic of this particular thread. Are you an advocate of "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything?" Because it sounds like you're admonishing us for pointing out some pretty obvious big red flags, and I don't think that guidance applies to high-profile public figures. I think we're all adults here. We're capable of having dissenting views.

The response to pointing out Hogan's tarnished profile was not, "I know he's a flawed figure, but he was so instrumental to my early fandom in wrestling. He wasn't a good guy, but when I was young he sure looked like a hero to me. I know he's done some shit, but give me just a moment to enjoy my memories of his better days, just for a moment." The response was (paraphrasing), "you people are stupid and trash."

Are you really admonishing people for pointing out the REAL trash person here (Hulk Hogan), or are you taking an opportunity to poke at something else?

[ElkinFencer10]

If someone's racist, they're a sack of shit. Whether or not they've successfully hidden that racism from me doesn't change their sackofshitness. Like all people capable of critical thinking, I change my opinions when presented with evidence.

[Limewater]

Are you really admonishing people for pointing out the REAL trash person here (Hulk Hogan), or are you taking an opportunity to poke at something else?

No. I'm admonishing people who don't really participate in this thread or care about pro wrestling suddenly coming out of the woodwork to call "racist piece of shit" when someone is expressing sincere feelings in the wake of a death.

This isn't a good way to get people to think about race, or reconsider their values. It's a great way to virtue signal and try to make someone feel bad for having the wrong opinion about an entertainer. You're not educating anyone. You're not "calling out racism." You're just saying, "this thing you love is trash." Hulk Hogan is dead. He's not going to log onto this message board, see y'all calling him a "trash person" and engage in any self reflection.

I didn't make the forum guidelines, but I read them. It says things like, "display a positive and friendly attitude," and "Be respectful of others' opinions." "This isn't grade school."

C.3 seems to say that topics like this "must be approached respectfully and without malice."

This stuff can be talked about productively. "Rest in piss, piece of shit trash person" isn't productive. All that does is alienate people. Y'all made a choice years ago that talking about this kind of stuff wasn't really appropriate for this board. Raging Justice isn't the one who brought it up. He just wanted to talk about wrestling.

Y'all are tripping over each other to trash a dead guy who will never see your comments. All you're doing is alienating someone who is here to see your comments, and might be willing to discuss it with you if a) it wasn't (arguably) against forum rules and b) y'all were bringing up the issue in some way that showed you might, possibly, just a tiny bit, respect this guy's opinion.

[RCBH928]

Objectively speaking, you can not judge a "work" by the ideology or action of the author.

You can say whatever you want about Hulk Hogan but he is one of the biggest names in Pro Wrestling and one of the American faces known world wide. He carried American TV entertainment in the 80s and 90s. He is one of the biggest legends of pro wrestlings if not the biggest who popularized prowrestling. Racist or not, that doesn't come into play when you judge him for his work.

Kevin Spacey got accused of sexual assault and I do not think the movie "The Usual Suspect" any worse because of it.

[RCBH928]

There are only two people who were wrestlers that everybody knows.

One is the Rock. The other is Hulk Hogan.

With that in mind, I think this pictures sums him up the best.

I know The Rock like peaked really high and maybe surpassed Hogan popularity at his peak but he went down really fast though. His prowrestling career was about 10 years (95-05) . I think people will remember him more of an actor than a wrestler as he spent more time acting (2001- now-24 years) .
As a wrestler I think the undertaker will be remember more, or John Cena.

As for bad behavior, well, the pro-wrestlers are filled with it. You do not want to hear the stories of the other guys int he business.