How is your PSOne/PS1 gaming going?

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Ultimately you've only played Demon's Souls so far, can't gloss over the whole series so easily like that. It'd be like saying King's Field and Shadow Tower are the same. :lol:

I personally want to emphasis I've never approached King's Field expecting a Souls-like experience. Always had Ultima Underworld and immersive sims in mind. But yeah.

I'll admit I wondered if it was all nostalgia for you, but you've proven me wrong. Wonder who this series will click with next. I can see myself attempting them all again another time, there's a really strange allure to them that might continue to reel me back in. lol

Never say never. I can imagine Bandai Namco has a lot of faith and stock in From Software now, which might give them leeway for some experimentation again. They've proven they can develop two giant games at once. Dark Souls 3 is clearly very much an end of an era, but I could maybe see some kind of Demon's remake or sequel, or a Bloodborne sequel, another co-Sony development exclusive, while they have something new in store perhaps. The word is they're working on 3 games right now which seems crazy (please no VR or gimmicky junk!). They didn't get too crazy with Souls overall, nothing like the 500 Armored Core games. I wouldn't mind some more Souls games slowly along the way but yeah I'd love to see them do something new and first person would be amazing.

It would also be cool to get another "character action" game from them too, Ninja Blade was solid stuff even if a bit ridiculously goofy.

I just want more new From Software games in my life. Right now.
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Watching this all unfold I'm glad I never grabbed KF for the PS1 from that shop a mile from here. I think it was in a long box release which is why it stood out to me. The box art and pictures of the game looked nice, but the more I read the more I'd be very likely to break something on a rage out reading how the combat ends up working. That would push me over my tolerances which is a shame as the atmosphere looks solid. Maybe that is saying something to watch someone who can tolerate it's crap over a youtube video to get a taste.

Earlier today played a couple stages of Doom after a couple areas in Medal of Honor. I also put Warcraft II back on my shelf, just going to keep it at lease until I can sort out getting it on a modern PC working.
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Xeogred wrote:Ultimately you've only played Demon's Souls so far, can't gloss over the whole series so easily like that.
One of my gaming goals for 2018 is to beat Dark Souls.
Xeogred wrote:Wonder who this series will click with next.
Around here? Nobody. I did meet a few dudes on RPG Codex who loved King's Field though.
Xeogred wrote:I can see myself attempting them all again another time, there's a really strange allure to them that might continue to reel me back in.
Just beat King's Field IV. It's the most polished and well balanced of all five* KFs. Myself, Isolia, prfsnl_gmr, and Mr. Eco all have beaten KF4, and all of us enjoyed the experience. If KF4 doesn't do the trick for you, then at least you will have beaten one KF game and can die a real man.
Xeogred wrote:I'd love to see them do something new and first person would be amazing.
If anything would get me to buy a Switch, King's Field V would.
Xeogred wrote:I just want more new From Software games in my life. Right now.
FromSoftware does have a rather large library to back-mine, ya know. Did you ever play the Lost Kingdoms games? Super fun stuff!


*King's Field III: Pilot Style is a self-contained adventure, and is canon.
PLAY KING'S FIELD.
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When I was about 10 or so, I picked up a KF game (2 I think?) at a local rental place because it looked like a cool fantasy RPG game, like Diablo or Medievil (I was maybe 9-10 at the time). Oh, how wrong I was. I had no idea where to go, what to do, I was slow as heck, and it seemed like absolutely everything killed me. I liked it for some reason though, it was dark and cool. I ended up renting it two or three times but I don't think I ever made it out of the starting area. I ended up liking it enough to really want to progress, but I came to realize I just wasn't up to what the game required of me at the time, and let it go.

Later on I loved the Otogi games on Xbox. I had a demo disc and played it over and over, my cousin had the second one way back, I've always wanted to pick them up and see how they hold up today. If I'd had known it was the same Dev that made that old KF game, I'd never have believed it.

Not saying the game is bad now, that's just what I thought at the time. I was going through that familiar Souls cycle way back when! I may emulate them or pick them up cheap one day so I can take a look at the series with a new perspective.
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chuckster wrote:I had no idea where to go, what to do, I was slow as heck, and it seemed like absolutely everything killed me. I don't think I ever made it out of the starting area.
This is how everyone's first encounter with a King's Field game is. Including my own. The first King's Field I ever played was KF4, back in 2007. I had the exact experience you described, and I thought the game was crap, and put it back on the shelf. I didn't touch KF4 again until six years later. But on my second try, after about two hours of playing, something "clicked" in my mind, and I suddenly "got it".

After that, I was super hooked on the series. Playing through all the King's Fields, the Shadow Towers, and even Eternal Ring, was some of the best gaming of my life. I can sit on my porch swing and think back on all those experiences, and it's like ruminating on tangible adventures. The games are so immersive it was like I was actually there.
chuckster wrote:I may emulate them or pick them up cheap one day so I can take a look at the series with a new perspective.
I hope you do give the series another chance. Man, I've typed till I'm blue in the fingers on this forum so many times about how awesome King's Field is. I know people get tired of seeing me write about it. Most roll their eyes by now and just scroll to the next post. But I will continue to preach the King's Field gospel whenever its name is whispered. It breaks my heart people so often hate these games, without having given them more than fifteen minutes of play. However I do realize begrudgingly that this series really isn't for everybody. So fair enough.
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Exhuminator wrote: I hope you do give the series another chance. Man, I've typed till I'm blue in the fingers on this forum so many times about how awesome King's Field is. I know people get tired of seeing me write about it. Most roll their eyes by now and just scroll to the next post. But I will continue to preach the King's Field gospel whenever its name is whispered. It breaks my heart people so often hate these games, without having given them more than fifteen minutes of play. However I do realize begrudgingly that this series really isn't for everybody. So fair enough.
Oh I will, I've seen your posts in a few other threads and it's always made me think back on that original experience. I'll probably check out the PS1 games to find which one I played as a kid and try it, and also look into IV, since you spoke highly of it's polish and balance.
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Xeogred wrote:To which just makes me want to seriously ask, is there anyone on this forum or even elsewhere that has actually played and beaten the PSX games for the first time within the last decade or so? I'm not denying it could probably resonate with new fans in this day. I'd like to hear their experience. I know someone beat the PS2 one recently, but not the PSX ones.

Also just to be clear I think Silent Hill 1's combat is pretty bad too hehe, it's fresh in my mind because of your experience with it, yeah that's something that's chunky around the edges, but you don't play Silent Hill 1 for the combat. And you're basically saying that about King's Field as well. I'm sure there's plenty of others out there that hate Silent Hill 1 and love King's Field or have other crazy thoughts. But the gameplay bringing down the experience in King's Field seems unavoidable to me.
I actually first played a King's Field game just last year (largely on the basis of Exhuminator's enthusiasm). It was King's Field (JP). I had to dig around quite a bit, but I wanted to revisit my first post on the experience (and sorry in advance for quoting myself here)
nullPointer wrote:So I started playing Kings Field (Japan) last night. Holy bejeezus I need to git gud! Thus far I've not engaged with a single enemy that hasn't wiped the floor with me. And to be clear I don't mean that "I was able to eke out victory through means of attrition and a heavy damage toll". No I mean every enemy that I've engaged with has killed me dead; like in two hits. This one gets the nod from the Electric Wizard approval committee:



I'm not even entirely sure if my hits are landing when I swing my strangely wooden disembodied arm.

I'm really am enjoying it though in spite of, or perhaps because of it's inscrutability. I'm not sure whether I should be avoiding confrontation whilst powering up somehow, or whether I just suck at this game. Probably both! I'll likely be turning to a walkthrough, at least until I can get my feet under me here.
I stuck with the game, and before I knew it I found myself enjoying it immensely, eventually going on to beat it. I would definitely place it among the very best of the first-person dungeon crawlers I've played (though admittedly my experience with this particular genre doesn't run particularly deep). I found the difficulty for this King's Field to be very much front-loaded at the beginning of the game. Once you start improving your gear, the combat becomes more enjoyable. Once you've seen a few of the game's 'tricks' you know what to watch out for a bit more. So it's a bit of a stretch to call my self a 'fan of the series' on the basis of having only played this one game, but I would definitely consider myself a fan of this entry in the series. I plan to continue playing through the rest of the series at some point, although the approach I take to my backlog generally means that I don't take on entire series back-to-back (and sometimes I go for months/years between entries in a single series). But for the most part, yeah I thought King's Field was pretty great!

Which brings me to Silent Hill (though not literally thank god)! That's what I'm playing right now. All the recent discussion around Silent Hill put me in the mindset to get back into it again, and before I knew it I was hearing that eerie air raid siren ringing in my ears. (I really had my mind set on Silent Hill 2, but it had been so long since I played the first, that I decided I wanted to take it back to the beginning). I have to say, for my money and time at any rate, this is a good game. It certainly holds up against anything remotely similar being released at the time on Playstation. Tank controls will forever be a love-em-or-hate-em affair, but I would contend their implementation in SH is certainly no worse than other games using them at the time, and a damn sight better than several by my estimation. Same goes for combat really. I may be called on the carpet for saying so, but I don't see that much difference between combat in Silent Hill and Resident Evil, which isn't to say that either of those games has great combat, but I'm not sure it's possible to defend one while attacking the other on the basis of combat alone. All told though the tone, setting, and atmosphere in Silent Hill is the hook. I think I can honestly say that when it's firing on all cylinders, it's one of my favorite horror settings regardless of medium. Big talk, I know, lol.

So I dunno, I know a lot of people these days approach the Playstation as a system only to be revisited for RPGs and a few of its quality 2D outings, but I feel like there's still a lot to love about these early 3D affairs, if you're open to a different play style.
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Liking King's Field and Silent Hill... we have a new master.

I've always like the RE tank control style. I think Ack here and others are cool with it too. But I would say that Silent Hill combat is pretty different from RE, with Silent Hill being more about melee weapons and attacks, while RE is more about guns and shooting stuff. Shinji Mikami is the master at fun game mechanics.

One unique thing I really like about Silent Hill 1 over the others is the final area, in that it meshes a bunch of the previous levels and otherworlds into one, the level design makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever and that was the point. The rest of the series does that too, but there was never another level quite like that one again. I remember liking the sewers a lot too and the Silent Hill town felt more post apocalyptic than the rest of the series ever does. SH3 kind of perfects the gameplay up to that point and it's really fun, but it'll always be weird how short it is... like it's lacking an entire level or two. Not a lot of town exploration either.

The siren noise is the most unnerving victory chime of all time. I never felt good about killing a boss, because I didn't know WHAT the hell I just killed, never felt safe, and wanted to keep moving and get away from that area. The siren popped up in 2, but I wish it still popped up more in the series.

If you like these style of games, I highly recommend Hard Edge / TRAG. I beat that last year and absolutely loved it.

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Such a cool chill OST too:

And the weirdest award goes to Galerians. Was a bit too cryptic for my tastes so I had to use a guide at times, but I'm glad I played that one. It's everything ultra insanely weird about 90's anime sci-fi all rolled up into one. I think in my 15+ years of internet life I've never seen anyone talk about this game, ever. As obscure as it gets. I have the PS2 sequel ready to play sometime.
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I have played the first three King's Field games and finished zero. Really enjoyed what I saw though, and I plan to go back and see things through.
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(I'm sick today and feeling like this)
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Mega Man Legends is the best. Can't wait to play Tron Bonne soon. I think I'll love it solely for the fact of being back in that world.
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