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marurun wrote:Give my game playing habits lately, I probably should play more games on easy, but I usually play whatever the default is.
As I've gotten older and accummulated life-stuff like a wife and baby, my game playing time has become more limited. I find myself attracted to shorter games - that way I get to play a wider variety of games and don't feel as though I am missing out on as much.

I haven't extended that principle to playing games on easy mode, but I am becoming more open to the idea, at least for some games. Hell, if Dark Souls had an easy mode I would have used it without shame!
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marlowe221 wrote:I was just reading another forum's version of our Unpopular Gaming Opinions thread. Theirs included gaming confessions.

A surprising number of people confessed to playing every single game on its easiest difficulty setting.

I wonder how many people do that?

Personally, I always start on Normal, or the equivalent, and make adjustments up or down for my skill level.
I start with normal and if I can't beat it like that, I quit and move on.
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marlowe221 wrote:Hell, if Dark Souls had an easy mode I would have used it without shame!
I can't agree with this. Some series are famous because they are so challenging, that's their whole identity. If the Souls games started adding Easy modes, that'd be the end of the series sooner rather than later.

A perfect example is Etrian Odyssey. The original games on DS were considered hardcore (and they are hardcore) and attracted a strong cult following for it. Then the 3DS EO games started adding Picnic and Standard modes (both far easier then Expert mode, which is the true difficulty of the original games). So then you had people going around saying they beat Etrian Odyssey this or that on 3DS, saying it like they were hardcore gamers. But in reality, they beat the games on Picnic or Standard mode, so no, they didn't REALLY beat an Etrian Odyssey, they finished the game on training wheels. So original hardcore EO fans got sick of these shenanigans pretty quick and started abandoning the series. And thus each successive 3DS EO got less sales then before. Finally EOU2's sales were so bad that Atlus isn't even bothering releasing EO5 in the west. It is my firm belief if Atlus had never included babby modes in the 3DS EO's, the series would still be going strong today, even domestically. You don't take a mountain and turn it into a molehill so just anybody can go and climb it. That ruins the whole point of the mountain in the first place.
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I think that sounds ridiculous. If there was an easy mode for Dark Souls it would in no way detract from people who played it on normal. Now, the developer didn't include an easy mode. Their choice. They're the developer. But if they decided to offer one that shouldn't affect you or anyone else who plays normal in any way. That's like saying someone else can't enjoy something a different way.
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I just can't sanction No Gamer Left Behind.

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Exhuminator wrote: I guess it depends on what you're wanting to get out of the game. If the ride is all that matters, fair enough. But I personally would feel like a wuss beating games on Easy all the time, and I'd consider my victories to be a bit shallow. I always play games on Normal the first time I play them. I consider Normal to be the difficulty the developers intended by default, with Hard adding extra challenge if so desired.
We cross-posted, it seems.

That's actually why I usually start on Normal - because it usually seems like the way the developers intended the game to be played.

My uncle and I recently finished a playthrough of all 5 Gears of War games, in order, on max difficulty. It was fun overall, but there were times when the games didn't hold up well - it was like max difficulty was just serving to enhance the series' flaws. Enemies in those games tend to be bullet sponges - cranking up the difficulty just makes that a lot worse!

On one of our off nights, I decided to play some Horde mode on Normal difficulty and it was tons of fun. The game just felt better at that difficulty level.

I suspect what happens in a lot of games is that Normal gets all the development time and Hard is done with a lot less thought put into it. So you get a lot of games where things don't scale well into higher difficulties or the mechanics just get all crazy and don't really make sense.

Exhuminator wrote:I can't agree with this. Some series are famous because they are so challenging, that's their whole identity. If the Souls games started adding Easy modes, that'd be the end of the series sooner rather than later.

A perfect example is Etrian Odyssey. The original games on DS were considered hardcore (and they are hardcore) and attracted a strong cult following for it. Then the 3DS EO games started adding Picnic and Standard modes (both far easier then Expert mode, which is the true difficulty of the original games). So then you had people going around saying they beat Etrian Odyssey this or that on 3DS, saying it like they were hardcore gamers. But in reality, they beat the games on Picnic or Standard mode, so no, they didn't REALLY beat an Etrian Odyssey, they finished the game on training wheels. So original hardcore EO fans got sick of these shenanigans pretty quick and started abandoning the series. And thus each successive 3DS EO got less sales then before. Finally EOU2's sales were so bad that Atlus isn't even bothering releasing EO5 in the west. It is my firm belief if Atlus had never included babby modes in the 3DS EO's, the series would still be going strong today, even domestically. You don't take a mountain and turn it into a molehill so just anybody can go and climb it. That ruins the whole point of the mountain in the first place.
A lot of Souls fans make that argument, and it makes sense in a way. But I must it admit that I don't find it convincing. I don't see what is wrong with giving players options.
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People keep asking for a easy mode in Souls games. I say give it to them but it won't be what they expect. Instead of making enemies weaker or you stronger or less of them. The ONLY difference is...a minimap. That is easy mode is a minimap. That would make it easier but also if streaming..more snarky comments rofl.
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marlowe221 wrote:A lot of Souls fans make that argument, and it makes sense in a way. But I must it admit that I don't find it convincing. I don't see what is wrong with giving players options.
So let's say there's a club of mountain climbers who all managed to scale Mount Death, a notoriously treacherous mountain. But then along comes some guy who rode an escalator up to the top of Mount Death. He thinks he deserves to be in their club because he technically made it to the top of the mountain too, albeit very easily. The mountain climbers take offense to this notion, and also lose respect for the mountain itself because it now has an escalator ride to the top. So they abandon that mountain and consider it a joke now.

That's the mentality of the elitist, good or bad. I say this as an admitted elitist.
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marlowe221 wrote:A lot of Souls fans make that argument, and it makes sense in a way. But I must it admit that I don't find it convincing. I don't see what is wrong with giving players options.
So let's say there's a club of mountain climbers who all managed to scale Mount Death, a notoriously treacherous mountain. But then along comes some guy who rode an escalator up to the top of Mount Death. He thinks he deserves to be in their club because he technically made it to the top of the mountain too, albeit very easily. The mountain climbers take offense to this notion, and also lose respect for the mountain itself because it now has an escalator ride to the top. So they abandon that mountain and consider it a joke now.

That's the mentality of the elitist, good or bad. I say this as an admitted elitist.
Well I feel with the idea I had above. They would still climb that mountain tho with a compass but still feel shamed. They ask for easy mode and get it...but not what they expected even tho it does make it easier. It's kinda trolling them while still giving them what they wanted.
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Exhuminator wrote: So let's say there's a club of mountain climbers who all managed to scale Mount Death, a notoriously treacherous mountain. But then along comes some guy who rode an escalator up to the top of Mount Death. He thinks he deserves to be in their club because he technically made it to the top of the mountain too, albeit very easily. The mountain climbers take offense to this notion, and also lose respect for the mountain itself because it now has an escalator ride to the top. So they abandon that mountain and consider it a joke now.

That's the mentality of the elitist, good or bad. I say this as an admitted elitist.
You lost me when you said that the climbers would lose respect for the mountain itself. Why would they do that? Just because there's an easy way to get up to the top of it? They didn't take the easy way, so what are they worried about?

You're making elitists sound awfully insecure.
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