World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Sano]

Just curious as to how many of you are actually worried about a nuclear exchange with North Korea? Kimmy J can't even properly get an ICBM to work (I believe the US had something to do with this). Mushroom Head (Kimmy J) is playing with fire in my humble opinion. So say he does manage to hit say L.A., the consequences would be a united consensus among U.S. citizens; including extreme retaliation. Kimmy J's nuclear weapons are no where near as powerful as what the U.S. can bring to the table. If Kimmy J decides to hit Seoul instead, the end result will still be the same as if he hit a city in the U.S.

My scenario theory: Kimmy J launches ICBM with their highest yield possible warhead. Said missile never even makes it beyond Hawaii. Kimmy J also launches an offensive against Seoul with conventional weapons. B-3's are already scrambled from the U.S. on sight of North Korean missile launch. Medium yield, possibly even high yield warheads are loaded onto B-3's. North Korea is game over man. I also question how much of North Korea's artillery is actually able to make it past defensive system (including Patriots). They only say North Korea is capable of hitting Seoul, not that they actually can.

Would China retaliate against the western world if Pyonyang suddenly became very quiet for the next 10,000 years? I have a hard time believing they would if North Korea is the aggressor. The only problem with this is the radiation of course. Don't want it effecting South Korea or China (Or Gina as Trumpster calls it >.>).

Is a conventional strike the right retaliation for an aggressive North Korean nuclear launch? Also, no president ever looks worried about the possibility of a nuclear threat from places like North Korea and Iran. Why?

These are just my opinions and thoughts on the subject.

[marurun]

North Korea's main goal is to reunite the Korean peninsula under North Korea's rule. In order to do that, they need the US to move away from South Korea. Remember that despite a constant US military presence that almost every weapon in North Korea's large, if outdated, arsenal is pointed at South Korea.

This nuclear push is an attempt to cause us to concentrate enough military equipment in South Korea that even South Korea wants us out. Look at the missile shield, for example. South Korea doesn't want that shield in their territory. It doesn't really do them much good. They're too close to North Korea to protect effectively against DPRK missiles. It also heightens tensions with China because China doesn't like the missile shield. South Korea has good relations, for the most part, with China, but this further threatens those relations. If North Korea threatening the US causes tensions with our South Korean allies, North Korea wins.

Now, North Korea's strategy is not particularly likely to actually work as they intend, but it does provide them with some leverage and some forward momentum. And if the DPRK manages to goad us into war, or at least sustained military action (because I don't think congress would be willing to declare war), South Korea stands to lose the most in the short term unless we completely dismantle the DPRK.

[Flake]

I feel like this might the beginning of the end.

[marurun]

Oh, just now? Not before?

[Flake]

Trump is basically move for move following Nixon's playbook - just way faster. Firing the FBI director hours after a federal grand jury's subpoenas go out... holy crap.

[Sarge]

I thought everyone wanted Comey's head?

Honestly, I think he should have been fired during the transition. Either for, depending on your point of view, letting Sen. Clinton off the hook or for re-opening the investigation before the election. Either way, his credibility was shot with both sides.

[prfsnl_gmr]

Yes. The pretext for firing him was a legitimate reason for firing him. Nonetheless, it is still a pretext.

[marurun]

Hopefully this will be the catalyst for an independent investigation. The administration is clearly and obviously incapable of keeping its hands off this.

[Sarge]

I think an independent investigation would be fine. I also don't think this is going to have any real effect on the current investigation as it stands, either. It just affects the optics.

[marurun]

I think an independent investigation would be fine. I also don't think this is going to have any real effect on the current investigation as it stands, either. It just affects the optics.

It's hard to know with this administration. There are certainly a lot of things they can do to drag things out, but those things are also more likely to irritate even Trump's allies in congress, so that could also put pressure on to speed things up. This saga certainly isn't over.