Does anyone know much about this Flight Force Pro stick?

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Does anyone know much about this Flight Force Pro stick?

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(I've seen some pretty crazy stuff here via google, which lead me to believe this is a good place to ask.)

Now then, on to the stick: It was made for the PS1, but i want to know if it happens to work with PS2 games, also. Mainly the Ace Combat games.

I've been combing google but i can't find much about it.
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Interesting looking controller, i can't offer any info on it, but hopefully "CRTgamer" chimes in, he is a pretty good source of odd ball controller info.
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LegendOf-AB wrote:(I've seen some pretty crazy stuff here via google, which lead me to believe this is a good place to ask.)

Now then, on to the stick: It was made for the PS1, but i want to know if it happens to work with PS2 games also (mainly the ace combat games). I've been combing google but i can't find much about it.
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If that picture is your discovery from a website, can you link the site?

Concur, the grey connector indicates that very cool Flightstick with matched Throttle Stick is for the PS1, likely made for the PS1 Ace Combat series in perhaps the Japan releases. Based on my PS1 Flightsticks, I have found most are not compatible with the PS2 with the exception of a few games. However, with a PS1/PS2 to Gamecube controller adapter, the Flightsticks work with EVERY Gamecube game! The same with Playstation controller adapters to Wii Classic Controller, EVERY Classic Controller game works with the vintage PS1 Flightsticks. :mrgreen:

Couple Threads to look at, by all means post questions and comments there to bump the older posts.

PSX Fightsticks and Adapters - http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 13#p594613

Wii Skycrawlers with PSX Fightstick - http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 94#p603494
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CRT vs LCD - Hardware Mods - HDAdvance - Custom Controllers - Game Storage - Wii Gamecube and other Guides:
CRTGAMER Guides in Board Guides Index: http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p1109425

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CRTGAMER wrote:
LegendOf-AB wrote:(I've seen some pretty crazy stuff here via google, which lead me to believe this is a good place to ask.)

Now then, on to the stick: It was made for the PS1, but i want to know if it happens to work with PS2 games also (mainly the ace combat games). I've been combing google but i can't find much about it.
Model Number?
If that picture is your discovery from a website, can you link the site?

Concur, the grey connector indicates that very cool Flightstick with matched Throttle Stick is for the PS1, likely made for the PS1 Ace Combat series in perhaps the Japan releases. Based on my PS1 Flightsticks, I have found most are not compatible with the PS2 with the exception of a few games. However, with a PS1/PS2 to Gamecube controller adapter, the Flightsticks work with EVERY Gamecube game! The same with Playstation controller adapters to Wii Classic Controller, EVERY Classic Controller game works with the vintage PS1 Flightsticks. :mrgreen:

Couple Threads to look at, by all means post questions and comments there to bump the older posts.

PSX Fightsticks and Adapters - http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 13#p594613

Wii Skycrawlers with PSX Fightstick - http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 94#p603494
Model number seems to be SV-1106, based on a couple of ebay listings i've seen. One even has a picture of the bottom of the stick and "SV-1106" is clearly seen next to some other text.

It working for Gamecube and even some Wii games is good (and really unexpected) to hear. As for it working on PS2, i've had two people confirm that it works for PS1 games being played on a PS2, and i've found another person on youtube who has it and offered to try it with a PS2 game for me. Currently waiting on him/her to get back to me on that.

Here's a screenshot from one of the listings i was talking about:

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PS: Thanks for your input on this.
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CRT to the rescue!
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Couldn't leave this behind without posting my experience for others who may find themselves in the same position:

If you only really want full support for PS2 games, don't get this flight stick. I've noticed so far that it mainly works (while in Mode 2, in which it emulates the original PS1 controller. AKA digital mode) for PS2 games that allow digital controls. Like moving your character with the D-pad, for instance (Armored Core 2, and Sky Odyssey are the ones that have worked successfully for me). If the game doesn't allow that, then the chances of it working at all are low. Though oddly enough, Ratchet & Clank: UYA seems to work in Mode 3 (in which the flight stick emulates the NeGcon, IIRC, or some other similar analog controller) and controls pretty decently.

Alright, now the silver lining: There are still PS1 games that support it (the Ace Combat games come to mind), and i ended up buying a PS2 controller-to-PC adapter which allowed me to get it working for various space sim games, though it has a few quirks...
  • In Mode 1 and 4, all of the buttons except the actual throttle & Joystick work. The latter 2 aren't picked up at all for some odd reason.
  • In mode 2, everything except the throttle works and it seems you can reprogram most of the buttons, but as i mentioned earlier, this is Digital mode. Which means the joystick behaves exactly like a D-pad instead of an analog stick. Things can get a little messy when you need to make small adjustments to your aim and can't slightly tilt the stick without making the game think you're pushing it all the way.
  • In mode 3, which is the best (in my opinion) despite it's downsides, the joystick is finally treated as an analog, the throttle works and the buttons technically all work, but there are about 4 buttons (two out of the four red buttons on the front of the throttle, and two out of the four gray buttons on the joystick. Also, excluding the 2 Triangle buttons that are on both sides of the joystick. Not surprised that those are the same) that are considered by Windows to be exactly the same as 3 other buttons...which makes those first 4 buttons somewhat pointless. Still, that leaves you with 13 other independent buttons (and the throttle/joystick) that work fine and can be remapped in games like Freespace 2, and the X series (only ones i've tried so far). The hat switch also technically has 8 directions, but hitting the extra 4 without mashing one of the main 4 in the process can be a hassle.
  • One more odd thing regarding the Axis' when looking at them under Window's "Devices and Printers" area. the joystick's Y Axis can't seem to go all the way up or down (it can go most of the way, though. About 189 and 68 respectively) unless the "Z-Axis" slider (that simulates the joystick being pushed up or down, for some reason) that's on the base of the joystick is pushed in that direction to "help" it get there. I rarely mess with it, though. And that minor drawback hasn't majorly affected me yet. Also, the Rz & Z Axis' box (representing the throttle in Mode 3) is permanently pushed to the left for some reason. Therefore in some games (X3 in my experience) that allow the use of a throttle for certain functions, if that direction is mapped by default, your camera will just continuously spin. All you have to do is just find it and un-map it ingame and the problem should disappear.
Overall, no ragrets.
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really interesting. Looks like the 360 Ace Combat flightstick I have.
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Thanks for the imformative thread, LegendOf-AB. Stick around the Racketboy forums. You're a good poster.
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Whew, it's been about a year. I ended up putting the stick away for a good little while as i began to play other types of games for a good bit. I recently got curious again and decided to mess around with it again. I discovered that it is actually possible to fix that one odd issue i mentioned in my previous post (where the Axis' refused to move all the way up or down) by using the Calibrate option in Window's video game controller options. May have to mess with it for a bit to figure out the best way to go about it, but it surprisingly works.

I also got the idea to emulate Ace Combat 5 with PCSX2, and map the stick/throttle and its buttons (in the fabled Mode 3) as if it were a DualShock 2. And i was once again surprised by how well it works in a somewhat brief test. Gonna go at it again eventually and see how it really holds up.

And...That's about it. I figured it was worth it to update with my new discoveries on the off chance some other souls finds themselves in this situation.

PS/Note to Self: This still seems like a really nice site. Gotta check it out more often.
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Thanks for the update, dude.
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