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CRTGAMER wrote:Terrible when an opposing view is met with such violence and destruction.
It is terrible.

Opposing views should just be disregarded altogether. No need ever trying to consider anything outside of what you already believe.
LA Police like Chicago are so tied up by their politics; no protest should get out of hand like that. Peaceful protest must always be supported, protests that destroy property and injure anyone must be stopped immediately.

Of course all views should be considered, no reason for the Spin and yes the protesters did just that at Berkeley.

So do you think Milo Yiannopoulos invited by the college should have been allowed to speak? :?:

He was interviewed on Tucker Carson last night, seemed on the level though of course will be the conservative point of view. The concept so frightful to the protesters that did not want to even hear it. This even more ironic considering he is a gay immigrant that the left normally embrace, but the conservative view so reviled.

Crazy how it becomes a feeding frenzy shark attack in public chiding many to do things they normally would not do. I wonder how many of the protesters will watch the video below in privacy away from their peers?

Tucker Carlson Milo Yiannopoulos FULL Interview After Berkeley Riots Cancelled Speech - 2/2/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWo5F9vPNI0


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Isn't he the guy that used racist remarks to harass and insult actress and comedian Leslie Jones and is now banned from Twitter as a result of his behavior?
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CRTGAMER wrote: Really? Do you have a link proof of this and not a one sided article? I can see it as a curiosity question asked if one has an accent and not by the color of their skin. On a casual conversion I never ask where parents come from for any race, do not care. If I know a person such as a friend or neighbor it might come up when we are just shooting the breeze, certainly not in a malice way as you suggest. I think most people feel this way. Building the hate thru perceptions as you stated is why there will be continual divide.
I do know a number of people of color or non-European ethnicity and anecdotally they have been asked this on occasion. I can testify that I have never been asked this. But I have found some academic and popular/anecdotal research on this.

There is an article on the Atlantic which includes a quote from Michelle Norris from NPR about The Race Card Project:
The exchange took place at the Aspen Ideas Festival, which is organized by The Atlantic and the Aspen Institute, during a panel discussion on The Race Card Project, a four-year-old effort by NPR host Michele Norris to solicit people's frank, unfiltered thoughts on race in bite-sized, six-word essays. She's received tens of thousands of responses from people in 63 countries.

"One of the most common submissions to The Race Card Project is some formulation of, 'So, where are you really from?'" Norris said. "To a lot of people that hits their ear the wrong way. It feels like someone is trying to point out their otherness: 'You're quite obviously not American, so where are you from?'
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... st/373818/

http://theracecardproject.com/no-where- ... ally-from/

An important takeaway here is that most who ask this don't mean it maliciously. (No, CRT, I didn't suggest it was malicious at all. You assumed.) They are simply curious. But to someone who is a minority, it can feel like their American-ness is being questioned or doubted. Asking where someone is from implies they're not from America. This isn't a uniquely American phenomenon, either. It does happen worldwide. But we are one of the world's more diverse nations, and I think we need to decide, as a populace, that our curiosity is less important than someone else's feelings of belonging.

Here's an article from The Smithsonian Magazine.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-cult ... -54542198/

Here's an article on how that question can be divisive in education.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10. ... 5907305177

And here's a book that uses that question as a foil for discussion of challenges for integration in London.


CRTGAMER wrote:So what is the harm in bringing everyone to the table? The Tennessee Congressman seemed earnest to me just wanting to represent his district. Though not bullied, he was refused to bring in a voice and that is wrong. On the other hand an assembly focusing on just one race are not representing ALL their constituents back in their home states.
There is no harm in bringing everyone to the table, and there are lots of appropriate forums for that. The Congressional Black Caucus isn't that appropriate forum. Insisting it is wrong for the CBC to disallow non-black membership is basically saying that those black lawmakers are not allowed to have a space for them to discuss, amongst themselves, the unique challenges they face as black people serving in congress. The purpose of the CBC isn't explicitly to support the black lawmakers' constituents, though they often discuss those topics. Rather, the CBC exists to support the lawmakers themselves. They can discuss issues like their under-representation in Congress or unique issues black lawmakers face in an otherwise strongly-white lawmaking body. I would also argue that black lawmakers are going to be in a stronger position to understand the needs of constituents of color than even the most well-meaning white lawmaker.

There are many caucuses and conferences in Congress, some based on interests and others on ideology. Do you think the Tea Party aligned conference would allow in a liberal Democrat? Probably not. Caucuses and conferences set their own rules of admission and their own standards. While they are official Congressional groups, they don't really have any distinct power in law-making. They are simply social- and agenda-based groups that lawmakers join to discuss and organize.

As to the kerfluffle over the white lawmaker who applied for admission, here's what Wikipedia has on the incident:
All past and present members of the caucus have been black. In 2006, while running for Congress in a Tennessee district which is 60% black, white candidate Steve Cohen pledged to apply for membership in order to represent his constituents. However, after his election, his application was refused. Although the bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, former and current members of the caucus agreed that the group should remain "exclusively black". In response to the decision, Rep. Cohen referred to his campaign promise as "a social faux pas" because "It's their caucus and they do things their way. You don't force your way in. You need to be invited."
It sounds like nothing but a peaceful, amicable non-event.

I also don't understand where this idea comes from that talking about and recognizing racism in America, bringing it out of the shadows and into the light, is somehow further dividing America. I have heard a number of white people say that but I've never heard a black person or a latino person say that. This is a largely white perception that is born I think of a certain discomfort in addressing issues of race and societal imbalance. It's like white people don't want black people or other minorities in American to talk about the ways in which they are disadvantaged. This ties into how some white conservatives claim Obama stoked racial divide. He was a black president taking the initiative to shine light on uncomfortable topics and truths. I have never once heard a black person tell me that they felt Obama stoked racial tensions, but a lot of white people have said it. If anything, blacks and latinos and other minorities too often have their needs swept under the rug. They have to live with that discrimination. White people have the liberty to just ignore it, which is a kind of racial privilege in and of itself.
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Ack wrote:Isn't he the guy that used racist remarks to harass and insult actress and comedian Leslie Jones and is now banned from Twitter as a result of his behavior?
Yes, yes he is.
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He targeted and harassed a trans student in his presentation at U of Wisconsin, too, if what I've read is correct. If that's true, Berkeley should have denied his visit to campus when it was first organized because of his history of targeted harassment and abuse.
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Milo's figured out a lightning rod of a gimmick, and he's working it hard to get himself over. Whether folks champion him, get upset at him, or simply allow his presence to cause attention-gaining controversy—they're giving him what he wants. It's time-tested carny/rasslin tactics, and he's reaping the cash/web traffic/book sales/appearance deals/etc.
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Those rioters definitely gave him exactly what he wanted out of this. I'm not team Milo in any sense, but they should have just let him talk. This just increases his stature and legitimacy.
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TSTR wrote:Milo's figured out a lightning rod of a gimmick, and he's working it hard to get himself over. Whether folks champion him, get upset at him, or simply allow his presence to cause attention-gaining controversy—they're giving him what he wants. It's time-tested carny/rasslin tactics, and he's reaping the cash/web traffic/book sales/appearance deals/etc.
He's also baiting universities under the guise of free speech. It is about money and attention, but it's also about a particular agenda. He uses two opposing goals of the university, foster free exchange of ideas vs a responsibility to keep the student body safe from harassment and harm, and plays those goals against each other so that no matter what happens he wins and the university looks bad. His entire approach is divide and conquer. The only way to win is not to play, which involves denying him any speaking events right from the outset.
Sarge wrote:Those rioters definitely gave him exactly what he wanted out of this. I'm not team Milo in any sense, but they should have just let him talk. This just increases his stature and legitimacy.
Violent riots present a safety risk to the campus. They pretty much had to cancel. The university was in a no-win situation the moment they agreed to schedule Milo to speak.
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marurun wrote:
Sarge wrote:Those rioters definitely gave him exactly what he wanted out of this. I'm not team Milo in any sense, but they should have just let him talk. This just increases his stature and legitimacy.
Violent riots present a safety risk to the campus. They pretty much had to cancel. The university was in a no-win situation the moment they agreed to schedule Milo to speak.
Sorry, I wasn't entirely clear. I'm not saying that they didn't have to cancel, but it's ridiculous that it even came to violent riots in the first place. The way you destroy a guy like this is to suck the air out of the room and not give them attention. Now he gets tons of attention and legitimacy (deserved or not). Milo is bad, but the response from the protestors was even worse. I don't see this as a poor reflection on university leadership, I see it as a poor reflection on some of the student body (and whatever outside agitators there were).
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maru basically just explained how his gimmick works, so yeah.
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