World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[prfsnl_gmr]

Also, our president-elect is now referring to the election that he won as "rigged" because he didn't also win the popular vote. Sad.

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Also, our president-elect is now referring to the election that he won as "rigged" because he didn't also win the popular vote. Sad.

That is just in response to Green Party's allegations with the recount now going on. Considering many states do not even require any sort of way to verify if registered voter or not, Voter Fraud is a real problem especially here in California. When I go to my designated Poll all I have to state is my name and sign under my name already printed on the provided by poll worker address list! Fortunately no one as of yet took my name off my mail box and beaten me to the polls. Of course I would report if it ever would happen, but then I still could not vote!

The crap of ID requirement discouraging voters from participating should not even be an issue to keep the votes legitimate, everyone should have an I.D. matched to their voter registered address! Right to Vote comes with expected duty to honesty.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Hillary Clinton
59,838,642 Actual Votes (48.0%) - 232 Electoral College Votes

Donald J. Trump
62,521,739 Actual Votes (47.0%) - 306 Electoral College Votes

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11 ... ckets.html

Jill Stein -- Fighting election fraud or lining her own pockets?
Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has officially filed paperwork for a recount in Wisconsin - so what's next? President-elect Donald Trump isn’t mincing words. He believes the recount effort – and multimillion-dollar fundraising goal – led by Green Party candidate Jill Stein is nothing more than a scam.

Stein and her party are raising money for presidential recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Hillary Clinton’s campaign has offered help, but Clinton’s own lead counsel admitted that the recount won’t likely lead to any changes in the outcome of the presidential election. Stein started the push for a recount last week. Since then, she has raised more than $6 million toward an effort neither she nor her party can guarantee will actually happen. A closer look at the fine print on her website says “we can only pledge we will demand recounts in WI and MI and support the voter-initiated effort in PA.”

She adds, “If we raise more than what’s needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform. This is what we did with our surplus in 2004.” She does not go into specifics about what those “election integrity efforts” might be. That’s a lot of money for the Green Party, especially considering Stein’s entire 2016 presidential campaign brought in $3,509,477 from donors.

Over the weekend, Trump also blasted the recount campaign.

"This recount is just a way for Jill Stein, who received less than 1 percent of the vote overall and wasn't even on the ballot in many states, to fill her coffers with money, most of which she will never even spend on this ridiculous recount," Trump said in a written statement. He followed it up with a tweet Saturday night: “The Green Party scam to fill up their coffers by asking for impossible recounts is now being joined by the badly defeated & demoralized Dems."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/politics/ ... n-recount/

In Wisconsin, the election panel shot down a request from Stein that the ballots be counted by hand, although the Green Party leader went to court Monday in a bid to force a statewide hand recount. "If nothing else, this is going to give us a very good audit, it's going to re-assure Wisconsin voters that we have a fair system, that we're not counting illegal votes," said Elections Commission chairman Mark Thomsen.

He strongly defended the vote count.
"To say we didn't count them correctly the first time... that somehow illegal votes were counted... is really inappropriate," Thomsen said. "I don't think we'll find in this that our fellow citizens counted these votes (in)accurately -- going to reassure -- not counting illegal votes ... We're not counting dead people's votes."

It appears unlikely that the recount in Wisconsin could overturn the results of the election <in just that state> -- Clinton lost Wisconsin by more than 20,000 votes, according to the current tally. But the battle is likely to keep eyes trained on the narrow margins of victory Trump eked out just three weeks ago to win the White House.

Take a look at the Electoral College Votes Map above. The recount is a waste of time, the end result even if the very unlikely a switch change of the totals will not be enough to change the outcome of Trump who is the next President!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/do ... higan.html

Nov 28, 2016 - Trump Officially Wins Michigan Amid Calls for a Recount
Donald J. Trump was officially declared the winner of the presidential election in Michigan on Monday amid calls for a recount there and in two other states. Mr. Trump, a Republican, defeated Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent, by 10,704 votes in the state, or less than a quarter of a percentage point, the Michigan Board of State Canvassers announced, nearly three weeks after the Nov. 8 election. The results, should they hold, bring his Electoral College vote total to 306, well beyond the 270 needed to win. Mrs. Clinton has 232. Michigan contributed 16 electoral votes to Mr. Trump’s total.

News of his victory in Michigan came as Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, said she planned to call for a recount there after pursuing recounts in two other states. Wisconsin officials approved a timeline for a recount on Monday, and Ms. Stein is also suing for a recount in Pennsylvania, according to The Associated Press. Mr. Trump won all three states by a combined total of about 100,000 votes.

[dsheinem]

Voter fraud by fake or inelligible voters is not a problem in CA or anywhere else. CRT, if someone "took your name off your mailbox" and voted for you, you'd report it, right? Your name is on that list because you regsitered to vote.

Even though 40-50% of eligible voters don't register (and thus can't vote), something like 80-90% of registered voters do actually vote for president. If someone wanted to fake your name, they'd be running against low odds that you would not come to vote and, if you did and were turned away, that you would not report the fraud.

Read this: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/us ... trump.html

There are few prosecutions for any type of election fraud, even in a country where, in 2000, more than 105 million people voted for a presidential candidate. During the administration of President George W. Bush, the Justice Department pursued what was widely regarded as a crackdown on voter fraud. In the first five years, about 120 people were charged and 86 convicted.

News21, a reporting project affiliated with Arizona State University, found in 2012 that there had been 2,068 cases of fraud nationwide since 2000, including episodes of absentee ballot fraud, intimidation, vote-buying and double voting. In at least a quarter of the investigations, the authorities did not bring charges.

Ten of the cases reviewed by News21 involved voter impersonation, and most of those investigations led to plea agreements or guilty verdicts at trial.

That kind of fraud being widespread - an idea that both you and Trump are apparently holding to - is simply an inane myth.

Computer based fraud is a little different, though also hard to do and historically not proven to be a major factor nationally. Still, given the role of hacking in elections internationally in the past few years and given the patterns found by computer scientists at University of Michigan, there is good reason to at least investigate.

[J T]

Your "actual vote" numbers are outdated CRT. Hillary Clinton is currently about 2 million votes higher than Trump in the popular vote, despite looking to lose the Electoral College votes by about 40.

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http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Hillary Clinton
59,838,642 Actual Votes (48.0%) - 232 Electoral College Votes

Donald J. Trump
62,521,739 Actual Votes (47.0%) - 306 Electoral College Votes

Your "actual vote" numbers are outdated CRT. Hillary Clinton is currently about 2 million votes higher than Trump in the popular vote, despite looking to lose the Electoral College votes by about 40.

I updated it after checking the link, appears to get (current day and time) updates. I think your post based on before I updated the votes on the map. Green Party Jill Stein so crooked scamming the public out of 6 million using the "donate to the recount" that will not make any difference. Compare that figure to her entire 2016 presidential campaign which brought in only $3,509,477 from donors!

Donald Trump Popular Vote lead before the recount
11,000 votes in Michigan
23,000 votes in Wisconsin
68,000 votes in Pennsylvania

What a waste of funds (how much kept by Green Party) that could be of better use for the country!

Considering many states do not even require any sort of way to verify if registered voter or not, Voter Fraud is a real problem especially here in California. When I go to my designated Poll all I have to state is my name and sign under my name already printed on the provided by poll worker address list! Fortunately no one as of yet took my name off my mail box and beaten me to the polls. Of course I would report if it ever would happen, but then I still could not vote!

The crap of ID requirement discouraging voters from participating should not even be an issue to keep the votes legitimate, everyone should have an I.D. matched to their voter registered address! Right to Vote comes with expected duty to honesty.

Voter fraud by fake or inelligible voters is not a problem in CA or anywhere else. CRT, if someone "took your name off your mailbox" and voted for you, you'd report it, right? Your name is on that list because you regsitered to vote.

Even though 40-50% of eligible voters don't register (and thus can't vote), something like 80-90% of registered voters do actually vote for president. If someone wanted to fake your name, they'd be running against low odds that you would not come to vote and, if you did and were turned away, that you would not report the fraud.

I should not have to fight for my vote should that ever happen. Since no I.D, the bastard stealing my vote would never be caught! Without I.D. requirement there is no way to study how much fraud or if any happens. I do want the so easy to implement I.D. protection so my vote will not be so easily stolen.

[dsheinem]

As a citizen, I should not have to fight for my vote should that ever happen. I do want protection so my vote will not be so easily stolen.

No, you shouldn't. Those stats I provided tell you that don't have to. It's a boogeyman that is just simply not a real problem by any stretch.

In only like 100 cases amongst 100+ million votes in the closely contested 2000 election did someone discover voter fraud happening in the manner you describe. In all the elections (including annual, midterm, etc.) in the 12 years between 2000-2012, there were on average about 100 or so cases per year that were tried for what you mention. In aggregate that's like 1500 cases across almost a billion votes. Your chances of someone stealing your vote are truly in the ballpark of one in a million...

[Tanooki]

Boogeyman or not people should use a government id of some sort with a picture to verify they are who they are to vote. To think this is some scam to disenfranchise or scare off minorities or old people is asinine. Why is it so hard for some people to have to prove who they are to participate in a local, state or federal election is beyond me.

Also didn't you hear, WW1 vets turned out in large numbers to vote for Clinton this year!

And in the end, if no votes flip, what's this about a 40 EC vote margin? This updated 4 hours ago shows different: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
232(D)/306(R) -- 62,521,739 votes (48.0%) / 61,195,258 votes (47.0%) (74/1.35M)

Though I did read 6 EC jerks were not going to honor their state vote and not give it to Trump wherever that was, just like at least 1 or more said they'd do with Clinton as well. Seems so senseless ignoring the vote.

[dsheinem]

Boogeyman or not people should use a government id of some sort with a picture to verify they are who they are to vote. To think this is some scam to disenfranchise or scare off minorities or old people is asinine. Why is it so hard for some people to have to prove who they are to participate in a local, state or federal election is beyond me.

Here's a pretty big list of answers to these questions: https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter ... fact-sheet

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Here's a pretty big list of answers to these questions: https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter ... fact-sheet

Not worth clicking and reading that list of lies. That organization the biggest fraud having sued so many millions pushing their agenda! Oh wait they are also yet another Non Profit not paying their share of taxes yet pushing how laws are done!

[dsheinem]

Here's a pretty big list of answers to these questions: [url]https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter ... fact-sheet[/url

Not worth reading that list of lies. That organization the biggest fraud having sued so many millions pushing their agenda!

What, specifically, has the ACLU done that you disagree with? What part of their "agenda" is disagreeable to you?