World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[CRTGAMER]

Watched the Trump interview on 60 minutes last night. Trump said it right at the end when asked if the Presidency will hurt his Trump Business. Click the link below for the entire interview.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes- ... ley-stahl/

Lesley Stahl: Do you think that-- that your election is a repudiation of his presidency?

Donald Trump: No, I think it’s a moment in time where politicians for a long period of time have let people down. They’ve let ‘em down on the job front. They’ve even let ‘em down in terms of the war front. You know, we’ve been fighting this war for 15 years--

Lesley Stahl: This was the message of your campaign.

Donald Trump: We’ve spent $6 trillion in the Middle East, $6 trillion, we could have rebuilt our country twice. And you look at our roads and our bridges and our tunnels and all of the-- and our airports are, like, obsolete. And I think it was just a repudiation of what’s been taking place over a longer period of time than that.

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Lesley Stahl: They’re talking about a fence in the Republican Congress, would you accept a fence?

Donald Trump: For certain areas I would, but certain areas, a wall is more appropriate. I’m very good at this, it’s called construction.

Lesley Stahl: So part wall, part fence?

Donald Trump: Yeah, it could be – it could be some fencing.

Lesley Stahl: What about the pledge to deport millions and millions of undocumented immigrants?

Donald Trump: What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, we have a lot of these people, probably two million, it could be even three million, we are getting them out of our country or we are going to incarcerate. But we’re getting them out of our country, they’re here illegally. After the border is secured and after everything gets normalized, we’re going to make a determination on the people that you’re talking about who are terrific people, they’re terrific people but we are gonna make a determination at that-- But before we make that determination-- Lesley, it’s very important, we want to secure our border.

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Lesley Stahl: When they demonstrate against you and there are signs out there, I mean, don’t you say to yourself, I guess you don’t, you know, do I have to worry about this? Do I have to go out and assuage them? Do I have to tell them not to be afraid? They’re afraid.

Lesley Stahl: But that’s not what you’re saying, I said it-

Donald Trump: Oh, I think, no, no, I think-- I am saying it, I’ve been saying it.

Lesley Stahl: OK.

Donald Trump: Don’t be afraid. We are going to bring our country back. But certainly, don’t be afraid. You know, we just had an election and sort of like you have to be given a little time. I mean, people are protesting. If Hillary had won and if my people went out and protested, everybody would say, “Oh, that’s a terrible thing.” And it would have been a much different attitude. There is a different attitude. You know, there is a double standard here.

It has been five full days since the election and anti-Trump demonstrations, driven in part by Hillary Clinton’s edge in the popular vote, have been significant. When we interviewed him on Friday afternoon Mr. Trump said he had not heard about some of the acts of violence that are popping up in his name… or against his supporters. Nor he said had he heard about reports of racial slurs and personal threats against African Americans, Latinos and gays by some of his supporters.

Donald Trump: I am very surprised to hear that-- I hate to hear that, I mean I hate to hear that--

Lesley Stahl: But you do hear it?

Donald Trump: I don’t hear it—I saw, I saw one or two instances…

Lesley Stahl: On social media?

Donald Trump: But I think it’s a very small amount. Again, I think it’s--

Lesley Stahl: Do you want to say anything to those people?

Donald Trump: I would say don’t do it, that’s terrible, ‘cause I’m gonna bring this country together.

Lesley Stahl: They’re harassing Latinos, Muslims--

Donald Trump: I am so saddened to hear that. And I say, “Stop it.” If it-- if it helps. I will say this, and I will say right to the cameras: Stop it.

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Lesley Stahl: What about vacations? You’re not going to take any vacations? You’ve said that.

Donald Trump: We have so much work. There’s so much work to be done. And I want to get it done for the people. I want to get it done. We’re lowering taxes, we’re taking care of health care. I mean, there’s just so much to be done. So I don’t think we’ll be very big on vacations, no.

Lesley Stahl: Are you gonna take the salary, the president’s salary?

Donald Trump: Well, I’ve never commented on this, but the answer is no. I think I have to by law take $1, so I’ll take $1 a year. But it’s a -- I don’t even know what it is.

Donald Trump: Do you know what the salary is?

Lesley Stahl: $400,000 you’re giving up.

Donald Trump: No, I’m not gonna take the salary. I’m not taking it.

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Lesley Stahl: Let me ask whether any of you think that the campaign has hurt the Trump brand.

Ivanka Trump: I don’t think it matters. This is so much more important. And more serious. And-- so th-- I-- I-- you know, that’s the focus.

Donald Trump: I think what Ivanka trying to say, “Who cares? Who cares?” This is big league stuff. This is-- this is our country. Our country is going bad. We’re going to save our country. I don’t care about hotel occupancy. It’s peanuts compared to what we’re doing. Health care, making people better. It’s unfair what’s happened to the people of our country and we’re going to change it. As simple as that.

[dsheinem]

Pointing to a minority of Trump voters that are being loudly hateful and asking the majority of Trump voters to stand up against it is not the same thing as mischaracterizing support for a candidate in an election.

I was glad to hear Trump say "stop it" to the fired up bigots on 60 Miinutes last night, but perturbed that he did it in such a condescending fashion ("I've heard of just a couple of incidents" and his less than eloquent denunciation ). Something is better than nothing, though.

However, putting Steve Bannon in his inner circle quickly erased most of the tenuous goodwill I may have had towards the interview : http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-banno ... -a-primer/

[Exhuminator]

Pointing to a minority of Trump voters that are being loudly hateful and asking the majority of Trump voters to stand up against it is not the same thing as mischaracterizing support for a candidate in an election.

Pointing to a minority of Trump voters that are being loudly hateful and blaming the majority of Trump voters for their actions, is just as mischaracterizing of the greater group's ethical stance as is ignoring the fact minorities are part of it.

[prfsnl_gmr]

Pointing to a minority of Trump voters that are being loudly hateful and asking the majority of Trump voters to stand up against it is not the same thing as mischaracterizing support for a candidate in an election.

Pointing to a minority of Trump voters that are being loudly hateful and blaming the majority of Trump voters for their actions, is just as mischaracterizing of the greater group's ethical stance as is ignoring the fact minorities are part of it.

I think that you two are talking past each other...

[Ack]

Pointing to a minority of Trump voters that are being loudly hateful and asking the majority of Trump voters to stand up against it is not the same thing as mischaracterizing support for a candidate in an election.

I was glad to hear Trump say "stop it" to the fired up bigots on 60 Miinutes last night, but perturbed that he did it in such a condescending fashion ("I've heard of just a couple of incidents" and his less than eloquent denunciation ). Something is better than nothing, though.

However, putting Steve Bannon in his inner circle quickly erased most of the tenuous goodwill I may have had towards the interview : http://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-banno ... -a-primer/

Having also watched the interview, I don't think we will be getting much in the way of eloquence for the next four years. He doesn't seem the type.

[darsparx]

Definitely not, Trump has proven time and time again that he is a blunt and crude man. He definitely doesn't sugar coat a lot of stuff that he says. While on the same token it seems like a lot of other people sugar coat topics so as not to offend anyone and that seems to be a problem especially when we're in the era of "everybody gets a trophy". It seems that the people rioting Trumps election or coming out of the woodworks as racist and bigotry didn't have much of a home life where mommy and daddy taught them the right way and that the world is a tough place. Plus my issue with electoral college is yes that Hillary won by popular vote but most of those people are focused in highly populated areas that generally vote democrat as it stands anyways. I've doubted my vote the same way other people have too, but I doubt hillary would've turned down the salary like he has said he would. That cumulative 1.6 million could go a long way in other areas. Since we're stuck with our choices I'm interested to see how it plays out, but I also wish people weren't so dependent on the government and other people to make changes for a equal nation and would take that anger towards actually making a difference in their community. I know i'm not one to talk by anyone's standards, but that really bugs me that these people won't use that anger for a good purpose.

Plus these are the same people who through all 8 years of Obama belittled those who complained about his presidency. Since many on the right believed Obama was coming for everything to destroy rights and such. Shockingly he didn't, but the debt is much worse off and while the unemployment is down I wonder for how long it will last until we see another crash as bad as '08. There just seems to be a lot of bandaid fixes instead of fixing issues at the source as far as I'm concerned...

[Tanooki]

Glad to see that interview there. I know people will say if anyone didn't need it it is him, but to take $1 salary is at least standing on some ground of expense cutting right along with no to minimal vacations due to the time needed to do things. It could be talk, but he's fine if it causes havoc with his businesses too if it gets things done which is nice and all.

The fact he seemingly went well with that overly long meeting with Obama. His repudiation of the fubar war effort and the dollar amount, going into how he'd like to have had that money thrown at all the stuff that's aging, broken, and obsolete in the country infrastructure and him wanting to direct it there is a big plus. He seems to be more a realist about the wall now talking about a fence, still it's a hell of an expense and what kind of fence fights some good bolt cutters? This could drag out for awhile but I really like the partial repeal and refining of the ACA and regulation cutting -- it's needed. I'm not sure how I like him backing off Hillary's mess being backed off of, but if he let's it go that's fine as it is smart and won't be stoking the fire further if it's just left to lie.

I do find it interesting him standing by his comments with the regionally rigged election thing and his loathing of the EC. Even after she made it clear that's how he got in, he still said he felt if someone got 100M to 90M the 100 (which would be Hillary here) should get the job. It's funny he's backing what people are moaning about now and hate him over in how he got there.

I won't lie, not a fan of Bannon keeping a job, but if that guy can behave himself and his personal influence is minimal and just his ability to wrangle cats come to use at least some good could come of it, at least a neutral good.

[Exhuminator]

what kind of fence fights some good bolt cutters?

And what kind of a wall fights a good underground tunnel?

I'll admit the whole wall thing never made much sense to me. Increased and more vigilant border control, with automated surveillance systems for even the most remote areas makes a lot more sense.

[MrPopo]

Domestic workers filling that economic niche would also work. If there's no opportunity to be had you won't be seeing much illegal immigration.

[Tanooki]

Both those last 2 posts are right.

The wall helps little. Remember I may be in KY but I'm from CA (San Diego Co.) and I've seen what a tall wall with some ground penetration gets. Highly advanced tunnels dug deeper and deeper with tubing that pumps in fresh air and out the foul along with full electricity for lighting etc and they tend to pop up miles beyond the border inside of rented out office warehouses/slips in parks. Drugs and coyotes running illegals use them daily. The wall makes it much harder where it is, and most expensive for the runners who use them because the alternative is the no-walled off desert areas where the heat much the year will take people out for trying. At best it's a deterrent, not a solution. Adam Connover with Adam Explains it All covered it months ago on his immigration episode, watch it. It would cost into the billions to make a full blown wall or even a big one along any mid size to major cities with a fence or nothing elsewhere, then you'd have security and maintenance to it as well. It would end up keeping some out, but not enough to make up the cost vs benefit.