The Retro PC Thread

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isiolia wrote:Alienware's first laptop (the Area-51m, which of course, they bill as the first gaming laptop) used a slightly later revision of the Mobility Radeon when it came out in late 2002.


this is really intriguing. Maybe I'll keep my eye out for an Area-51 since (A) it ran XP and (B) there was a blue model. That might be a good machine to keep around for stuff that's giving me a hard time on Win10 - like House Of The Dead has been.

I mean, XP is a solid choice for such a goal, right? Or should I be aiming for a less flashy but more useful 98SE laptop?
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samsonlonghair wrote:Valid points, but I still see Ultrabooks filling the same market niche previously occupied by desktop replacements. I like that you use the phrase "everything machine" because that's exactly what this is to the consumer. This is the laptop for the consumer who has the money to spend, doesn't want to make a lot of compromise, and maybe doesn't want to waste much time comparing specs. Call it an ultrabook or a desktop replacement. It's the laptop that does everything.


I think that stems more from laptops taking over more and more of personal computers in general, but yeah. If you're actually wanting to tote your computer around with you all day, then the things that an Ultrabook prioritizes will suit that. In turn, they do suit the needs for a lot of people that just want a nice machine for general computing.

Personally though, that's not the niche I associate with "desktop replacement". To me, that's the label for laptops that aren't designed to be carried around as much. The class of machine where it's fine if it's an 8-10+ pound behemoth with terrible battery life, because the point of it is to be able to easily tote it from one desk to another, not have it in your bag all the time. That's what mobile workstations and "gaming laptops" (other than stuff like the M11x) tend to be.

If more people are actually choosing to buy Ultrabooks because of the premium status, instead of ginormous 17" bricks to carry around all day, then great. :lol: It's a much better trend.

noiseredux wrote:I mean, XP is a solid choice for such a goal, right? Or should I be aiming for a less flashy but more useful 98SE laptop?


Personally, I think it comes down to just how many machines you plan on maintaining. If you were looking for one Retro PC, then I would definitely favor 98SE over XP. If you had several, then XP was on the market for a loooong time and could suit a lot of games too - there'd just be more that likely still works fine on 10.

I don't think that a laptop is ideal as a retro PC for either OS though.
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noiseredux wrote:
Sarge wrote:Yeah, the first laptop I bought was a "desktop replacement", a hefty Dell Inspiron 8200 with a P4 @ 1.7 GHz and a GeForce 4 440 Go card with 64MB of memory. That was a nice machine, actually. And as far as I know, it still works, although it really needs a reformat, XP on there is sloooooow.


that sounds like a badass machine.

Haha, yeah, for about four-five years, I could run just about anything I threw at it. I've already passed that point with my M11x R2, where I can run most indies, but I'm pretty much locked out of anything AAA these days.
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yeah, I use my M11x basically for retro games and some indie stuff. But man, I just love the size of that thing.
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I'd forgotten you had one. I love it, it's very portable and for a while there, it ran all sorts of good stuff. I think I may go with a desktop next time around, though. It's not really that high on my priority list right now, though. Not like I've got any shortage of stuff to play, right? :)
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Working on a big damn haul from the Goodwill. I just picked up a MacPro4,1 and a MacPro1,1 on the cheap. Just installed Snow Leopard on the 4,1. Loading new EFI update now. I have an extra hard drive that I will use for El Capitan in the MacPro4,1 after I install the Mac app store on Snow Leopard. I may or may not install boot camp later. These MacPros are beastly.
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What are the specs on those pros? They could be dual xeons.
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Nice, I've kept a number of 4,1s going here at work since they're only now dropping to the unsupported list (I guess technically the video cards don't all do low power properly, but it's minor).

I've put this USB 3.0 card in a few https://www.amazon.com/Ports-Inateck-PC ... 00I027GPC/ which works nicely.
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fastbilly1 wrote:What are the specs on those pros? They could be dual xeons.

I only spot one Xeon, but it's a quad core. Not too bad for my purposes. Here's the specs for my MacPro4,1
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/m ... specs.html

I haven't touched the MacPro1,1 yet, but I suspect it's a bottom-of-the-line model.

isiolia wrote:Nice, I've kept a number of 4,1s going here at work since they're only now dropping to the unsupported list (I guess technically the video cards don't all do low power properly, but it's minor).

I've put this USB 3.0 card in a few https://www.amazon.com/Ports-Inateck-PC ... 00I027GPC/ which works nicely.

I would love to have a computer with USB 3.0. I bought myself a 1TB USB 3.0 external drive two years ago, and I've been running it at paltry 2.0 speeds this whole time 'cause I don't have a single computer with a USB 3.0 port.

For now money is preventing me from making any more purchases.

What I really need is more RAM. For some reason this Mac only has 2GB of RAM installed... which is somehow less RAM than the system originally shipped with. Go figure.

Biggest problem right now: seems like Apple has already de-listed El Capitan from the app store. The only OS listed is Sierra... which of course this machine cannot run. Does anyone have a reliable (not too shady) source for me to dl El Cap? Please and thank you. If not I can resort to the usual torrent trickery, but I'm hoping there's a resource for IT pros who face this exact issue... something like macintoshgarden.org but for Intel Macs.
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samsonlonghair wrote:What I really need is more RAM. For some reason this Mac only has 2GB of RAM installed... which is somehow less RAM than the system originally shipped with. Go figure.


Reminds me of a funny retro PC related story...

A while back I bought an auction on eBay for two Dell Pentium III workstation computers. They were identical. The seller had a ton of them, and was selling them in lots of 2. The sellers specified that, along with all the other specs, that each computer would come with 64MB of RAM. I got the computers in and popped the covers off both of them. One computer had a single stick of 128MB, the other computer had NO RAM installed.

:?

It didn't really matter to me since I had a bunch of spare SD RAM sticks on hand, and I was planning on installing more than 64MB in each anyway. It made me laugh more than anything. It's not as if I could take 64MB out of one machine and put it in the other!
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