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wclem wrote: Here is a question: for the money would it be worth it to step up to the i7 over the i5? Or, would you go with the i5 and wait for price drops in a year or two on the i7?
Well, stepping back for a minute, there are actually two paths of i7 CPUs to look at.

First, you have the top end CPUs for socket 1151 (currently), which are slightly better - they support hyperthreading (basically, stacks instructions to make one core act like two...which works well for some workloads, but can be slower on others). Higher stock clocks, and a little more cache.
For gaming, the difference between the two - when there even is a difference - largely comes down to clockspeed. Hyperthreading is pointless (or a slight negative) for games.
An overclocked i5 6600k pretty well runs neck and neck with an i7 6700k (Digital Foundry's example for instance ). More typically, things will be GPU limited, and there'll be next to no actual difference between the two.

If budget were no issue, then an i7 is objectively better, but for gaming purposes, it's typically more logical to put the extra $90-100 into the GPU.
That said, if you also use the machine for 3D rendering, video editing, or something else that hyperthreading actually helps, then it may be worth spending on.


The other i7 route is jumping to Intel's higher end platform, currently socket 2011. That nets a whole host of upgrades, like quad channel RAM, more PCIe lanes, and at this point, 6+ physical cores and a ton more cache on the 6800k series of CPUs. 'course, you're not just spending $200+ more for the CPU then. The motherboards are pricier, matched RAM kits are pricier...it's just a far more expensive proposition.

For the right application, the extra cost can be well worth it. For gaming, it's not really logical. You'd get a lot more out of putting the extra few hundred bucks into the GPU. Or banking the extra cash and upgrading again in 2-3 years instead of 5+.
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Funny the discussion lead there, because I was going to ask you guys exactly what gaming pulls from the CPU. I have an i5 3479 3.2GB which is starting to fail some of the requirements for newer stuff... but yeah, I just wonder how vital it is. Especially if I pack in an RX480 in there now to replace my 7950.

I was able to play Wolfenstein The New Order on Ultra, but I started up The Old Blood last night and can only get a buttery smooth framerate with Medium settings. Seems I probably will need that RX480 if I plan to get Mankind Divided and Dishonored 2 this year for PC.

I noticed the standard RX480's only have HDMI output though, hopefully some other manufacturer throws out one with DVI still. I've been meaning to upgrade my monitor, but it's pretty low priority considering I do gaming on my 50".
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Or just get this?

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Ziggy587 wrote:Or just get this?

There's that too haha, I think I might even have one laying around...
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Although, if the DVI on the monitor doesn't support all the proper standards that the HDMI is outputting, it might still not work.
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The DVI format tries to be everything to everyone - which is why we have Digital, Analog, D+A, Dual link, single link, et cetera flavors of DVI. When it comes to HDMI cross compatibility, there are two key factors.

The first is straightforward. The DVI connection you are using must support digital or D+A. An analog-only DVI connection will not suffice. The good part here is that the digital signal in a DVI connection is more or less identical.

Speaking of "more or less," the second key factor is digital rights management. The Motion Picture Association of America loves them some DRM like a fat man loves donuts. HDMI supports all sorts of DRM that DVI was never meant to support. This typically only applies to movies encoded with DRM including BluRay discs and certain streaming services. It should not apply to video games at all.
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The 480s look to have 3x Displayport, which is fairly flexible for conversion as well.
Xeogred wrote:Funny the discussion lead there, because I was going to ask you guys exactly what gaming pulls from the CPU. I have an i5 3479 3.2GB which is starting to fail some of the requirements for newer stuff... but yeah, I just wonder how vital it is. Especially if I pack in an RX480 in there now to replace my 7950.

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I noticed the standard RX480's only have HDMI output though, hopefully some other manufacturer throws out one with DVI still. I've been meaning to upgrade my monitor, but it's pretty low priority considering I do gaming on my 50".
I have an i7 3770k, and Oculus's specs complain about it and say my system isn't up to par. Far as I've seen, it's actually still a stronger CPU than their minimum spec'ed i5...just a generation too old. The cynical part of me thinks that stagnating PC sales have some requirements being based purely on model number. :roll:

The 480s look to be using 3x Displayport along with the single HDMI. Displayport can typically be adapted easily to DVI, VGA, or HDMI, but makes more sense to start with as it's more capable. Main complication, I think, is going to dual link DVI as that can require an externally powered adapter...but most things that would have used that in the past now use Displayport anyway. Unless you have a particularly high end older monitor, chances are you just need single link DVI, which only needs a passive adapter or cable from Displayport.
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Whelp, the GeForce GTX 1060 is already looking better than the RX480. If it's in that $250-300 price range I think that'll be the card I get for an upgrade here soon.
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New PC build purchased tonight, and I am excited.

Components:
Asus GTX 1080 FE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814126101

Corsair 600C Case (I love the sleek and inverted design)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811139069
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Asus Z170-A Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

I7 6700K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

Corsair H100i-V2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835181103

G.Skill DDR4 16GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820232201

Corsair RM750X PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817139142

Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820147373

I am actually going to MicroCenter tomorrow to buy the cpu and mobo, as they have combo deals that will save me $75 over buying it on Newegg. But the rest of my Newegg order should arrive early next week.
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Nice dude!
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