Do You Have Any Unpopular Gaming Opinions?

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I guess the question is, do you dislike the Street Fighter series but otherwise like fighting games? I could see liking some 3D fighters (ala Soul series, VF, or Tekken) and not liking Street Fighter (or other 2D-styled fighters)... Although, I guess if the art style and characters don't hook you, maybe the gameplay doesn't matter. Cause you can find that kind of gameplay elsewhere with characters that are very different. Maybe, just maybe, I'm trying to over-analyze...
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I've always liked and appreciated the Street Fighter series but I've never been a fanatic about it.
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I really enjoy Street Fighter (and most 2D fighters) now, but I used to hate them. It took me practicing quite a bit to achieve something resembling core competency to actually start liking the games. Much like I did when I was learning typing, I would pull specials with my fingers without a controller, practicing the right motions to make.

The matches against my buddy helped, too, as we both got better. I'd argue I got better than him in a lot of ways because when we'd play SFA3, he'd use Shin Akuma while I'd use Ken. It's super-challenging to approach a decent Shin Akuma player, and he's also got that super that takes off half your life if he lands it. We probably came out dead even on wins.

I don't obsessively follow the genre, though. Since I'm in it more for single-player experiences, most fighting games have pretty slight offerings for me. I really enjoy them when I get them, though. I still haven't picked up SFV because it's even more slight than before in single-player.
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The only Street Fighter I out and out hate is Street Fighter IV. All of them, every single variation, and I gave every single variation a chance to prove me wrong. No matter how many characters it adds to the game, many of them characters I loved in previous games, it doesn't change the fact that this is a game that claims to be a game aimed at beginner players and teaching them the fundamentals, yet:
1) It has the Focus Attack, which is the Paper to the Rock that is pokes. Giving players such a powerful tool to essentially negate footsies is not going to teach beginners the right lessons.
2) It has the Focus Attack Dash Cancel, which allows you to throw out extremely unsafe moves... and make them safe. Again, I don't believe this teaches beginners the right lessons.
3) It has the Revenge meter. It's a reward for getting your ass handed to you, and the reward is the use of a move that in most cases does a lot more damage than your Super Move, a move which is rewarded to you for playing the game correctly. Once again, wrong lessons to new players.
4) It has some of the tightest one-frame links I've seen in any fighter, ever, and many characters like Sakura, Dudley and Elena even have multiple one-frame links in their basic bread and butter combos. Considering this is both supposed to be a beginner friendly game AND relies heavily on online matchmaking with variable input delay making one-frame links online a Vegas-style gamble, this was an absolutely terrible idea.

I think all the other Street Fighter games have their problems, none of them are perfect by any means, but SF4 was a case where the problems were so numerous and blatant that I couldn't look past it.
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I have had real problems getting into SFIV. If SFV were cheaper I think that'd be a better choice for me. SFV so far seems to better embody what Capcom claimed they were trying to accomplish with IV.
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marurun wrote:I guess the question is, do you dislike the Street Fighter series but otherwise like fighting games? I could see liking some 3D fighters (ala Soul series, VF, or Tekken) and not liking Street Fighter (or other 2D-styled fighters)... Although, I guess if the art style and characters don't hook you, maybe the gameplay doesn't matter. Cause you can find that kind of gameplay elsewhere with characters that are very different. Maybe, just maybe, I'm trying to over-analyze...


I like Tekken, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Pokken, Smash just fine. In fact, I love all those series. I enjoyed Fighting Vipers and Bloody Roar well enough too. Those are all either 3D fighters or very non-traditional fighters.

In terms of 2D games, even though I find them frustratingly hard (they're clearly not designed for fighting game plebs like me) I enjoyed Guilty Gear and Arcana Heart OK. Single player is hellish,but multiplayer is a ton of fun. I also enjoyed Gals Fighters for NGPC a lot, but that is again a very different feeling game.

Street Fighter II I just don't enjoy much at all, no matter how I play it. And Street Fighter IV is even worse. I haven't played III, but nothing leads me to expect a drastically different result.

Maybe I just don't like Capcom fighting games much - I thought Power Stone and Tatsunoko vs Capcom were super boring to play too.
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A lot of people actually think Street Fighter III is not a real Street Fighter. I personally prefer it vastly over the rest of the games, even though it's about as balanced as Charlie Sheen. I mean, I can respect Alpha 2, but I dunno, just too vanilla for me.

My favorite Capcom fighter will always be Vampire Savior.
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Street Fighter III is way different from II/IV. In some ways, IV feels like II, with a touch of the old Alpha sensibilities.

I think you might like Alpha 3 if you give it a shot, I like it a ton more than any of the SFII games. And as an offshoot game, you might want to try Capcom vs. SNK 2 as well.

If you like any SNK fighters, I think their best is Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves.
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I'm a casual Street Fighter fan.

I hated IV.

Been digging V a lot whenever my friend has some get togethers for it.

Who remembers the 3D one on the PS2? EX, I think haha.

The fighters I got the most into over the years would probably be...

Killer Instinct SNES
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I hate SF4 with a passion, even that humble bundle with the 3DS one for around $13 with all the other games couldn't make me pop. The balancing is god awful. The AI is just screwed beyond all belief. The last boss defined what cheap can truly be in a boss fight on a 1on1 game like that. All that stuff the7k said are right on the nose with other stuff it does to punish while bullshitting it's a good trainer (my ass it is.) I'm not a pro, I'd never compete (well I would have on SF2 25 years ago) and while there's some rust I can still hold my own well in the SF2 stylized games and SF4 I loathe

I tried to be open, tried to learn it, gave it a LOT of chances. In the end I took an entire evening using just Ryu vs Crimson in the training simulator to make a point and then ran it up against the default AI ultimately on the PS3 release of the game. I found fundamentally against the AI in that mode with her, or the game itself it was no harder or not easier for me on LV4 vs LV8(max.) It would randomly just decide to beat the shit out of you like you were playing up again some Ms Cleo psychic friends network crap where they could read your mind and do the one move where you could punch someone mid-animation and wreck your life bar by 1/3 or better (wtf?!) Or it would just be normal as normal could be expected on X difficulty.

I'd find in the game mode against the AI it is a mean tease. Stage 1 and 2 are no issue, ever no matter the difficulty, but from stage 3 it's like it takes a whole round of smart pills (and swills some psychic juice) because it cranks from nearly 0-60 and it's just a matter of how the AI decides to handle the rounds if you go further or not. If you so happen to get to the final boss, even on Lv1, he's cheap as all get out. Suck you into himself and you basically die, can slide/teleport all over, total disaster. The worst is when the AI decides ot make you think you can win by letting itself lose on round1, then it plays god incarnate on the other 2 and laughs at you basically.

That's why I still haven't picked up SF5 as I don't trust them and I'd rather find both it priced cheaply, but also once they've ironed things out since they kept re-releasing at a pretty considerable price all those SF4 upgrades.
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