Why is everyone selling everything right now?

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alienjesus wrote:
chupon wrote:Retro is a fine wine or aged scotch. A Brunello del Montalcino '98 or a Laphroaig 18 year. Modern is McDonalds Sprite.


I don't like this analogy because I don't like wine or scotch, but I do like Sprite.

This analogy made me like Chupon more. The fact that he didnt choose a standard scotch, or even a common year for the nonstandard scotch. This man has taste, noise could learn alot from him. My next tumbler will probably be Glenfiddich 21, since it is old enough to drink itself and I recently came into possession of a bottle of it.

We should do a community focused deep dive into obscure DOS games.
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You could break PC games down by the base of their operating system. For example, Windows 95 PC games are two generations behind Windows XP PC games. But of course there are PC games that support multiple operating systems, so it gets a bit hazy there.

Re-releases of older games doesn't suddenly make them brand new again. That's a bit like saying because Lawrence of Arabia was re-released on Bluray it's no longer an old movie. (Now a brand new remake of an old game is a different thing of course.)

Alternatively, I think the easiest definition of retro gaming I can go with is; if the game is ten years old or older, based on its original release date, it falls into retro gaming territory. A decade old game is pretty old in the fast moving world of video games.

>We should do a community focused deep dive into obscure DOS games.

Yes.
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Exhuminator wrote:>We should do a community focused deep dive into obscure DOS games.

Yes.


I also want this to be a thing that happens.
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noiseredux wrote:
Exhuminator wrote:>We should do a community focused deep dive into obscure DOS computer games.

Yes.


I also want this to be a thing that happens.


How about this? I've had some curiosity in the ZX Spectrum, Amiga and C64 libraries lately. I dunno if I'd be crazy into them, but I've been curious to check them out.
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AJ, if you've never read this thread: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=36399 then you're missing out. It's an amazing wealth of info.
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Exhuminator wrote:Re-releases of older games doesn't suddenly make them brand new again. That's a bit like saying because Lawrence of Arabia was re-released on Bluray it's no longer an old movie. (Now a brand new remake of an old game is a different thing of course.)


You would be amazed at how many film databases I work with that actually do just that.

Also with film, some filmmakers have taken old titles, spliced in new footage, and released it as a new film. This was a particularly popular tactic with certain production studios in Chinese cinema in the 1970s and 1980s. The rolling ten seems to be the best tactic, but some games can have a major influence from a later release despite being unknown at the time of their original release. Or if a game is rereleased with additional content and a new title(Onimusha becomes Genma Onimusha, Silent Hill 2 becomes Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams), and that version makes an impact or is now considered the optimal version, should that version's release be the one that we consider?

As for the OS generation...that doesn't work for me because so many games work across differing OS, OSes don't always have a semi-standard life cycle(for example in a five year span we have Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000, and Windows XP come out, not to mention variations of Windows CE usage). The rolling 10 again would work better for PC gaming, though I think (as with consoles)exceptions should be made for major releases that serve as a cultural reference point or serve as a major influence for games that come after. Conversely, modern updates to older series should also at the least be looked at.

But hell, why should I worry? I did the math and discovered the average release year for what I've beaten this year is in the 1990s.
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Ack wrote:if a game is rereleased with additional content and a new title(Onimusha becomes Genma Onimusha, Silent Hill 2 becomes Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams), and that version makes an impact or is now considered the optimal version, should that version's release be the one that we consider?

That would have to be determined on a case by case basis.

There can never be a hard and fast rule because all of it is so subjective. I'm just saying in general, if a game is a decade+ old based on its original release and its unmodified state, I would consider playing that game to be a retro inherent activity.
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Exhuminator wrote:Alternatively, I think the easiest definition of retro gaming I can go with is; if the game is ten years old or older, based on its original release date, it falls into retro gaming territory. A decade old game is pretty old in the fast moving world of video games.


I'd go with 15 years, but I am otherwise fine with this approach.
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prfsnl_gmr wrote:
Exhuminator wrote:Alternatively, I think the easiest definition of retro gaming I can go with is; if the game is ten years old or older, based on its original release date, it falls into retro gaming territory. A decade old game is pretty old in the fast moving world of video games.


I'd go with 15 years, but I am otherwise fine with this approach.

Yeah, I'd say 15 is better.
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When I joined this site, I considered Dreamcast to be retro. That system hadn't been dead 10 years at that point.

noiseredux wrote:AJ, if you've never read this thread: http://racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=36399 then you're missing out. It's an amazing wealth of info.


Thanks, I'll check it out.

It's actually a YouTuber who has me curious - she goes by the name Kim Justice, and her documentary style videos on the big name developers on the Amiga and ZX Spectrum are amazing. Really insightful hearing the British perspective from someone who grew up with it all (it was a bit before my time), as so much gaming media is very America-centric.
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