Is Apple TV going to follow iPhone/iPad in terms of gaming?

[racketboy]

And that's pretty much where I'm at.

The WiiU is looking more interesting and I'd love to give Street Fighter V a try eventually, but other than that, I don't care about anything else aside from some indie stuff that is typically multiplatform including iOS.

[isiolia]

I mostly care about good games without any particular brand loyalty, so if there are very few exclusives I think it would be better to have things merge together in the console front.
I'm not sure if Apple TV would lead to that or not, certainly Apple can compete on size with Microsoft and Sony and if Apple TV starts to look like the way forward, Microsoft will make something similar that is Windows based instead of another Xbox-like machine.

There'd need to be a major shift in Apple TV sales to make it competitive in the console space. It's been on the market since 2007, and Apple claimed 25 million of them sold total back in March of this year.
Obviously, sure, iOS sales are -much- better overall, but deliberately buying/using an Apple TV is a different matter...and this version is going to cost roughly twice as much.

You can buy a full Windows PC for the price of the new Apple TV. Less, actually, if you count some of the tablets. Being fair, most of the selling points for an Apple TV are the things that MS was trying to sell 360s and XBox Ones on for a bit there (and that they can still do).

I think that's still the big problem that the Apple TV has. Its core features of streaming content are things that tons of things do, including much cheaper devices, or the TVs/etc themselves.

[racketboy]

I mostly care about good games without any particular brand loyalty, so if there are very few exclusives I think it would be better to have things merge together in the console front.
I'm not sure if Apple TV would lead to that or not, certainly Apple can compete on size with Microsoft and Sony and if Apple TV starts to look like the way forward, Microsoft will make something similar that is Windows based instead of another Xbox-like machine.

There'd need to be a major shift in Apple TV sales to make it competitive in the console space. It's been on the market since 2007, and Apple claimed 25 million of them sold total back in March of this year.
Obviously, sure, iOS sales are -much- better overall, but deliberately buying/using an Apple TV is a different matter...and this version is going to cost roughly twice as much.

You can buy a full Windows PC for the price of the new Apple TV. Less, actually, if you count some of the tablets. Being fair, most of the selling points for an Apple TV are the things that MS was trying to sell 360s and XBox Ones on for a bit there (and that they can still do).

I think that's still the big problem that the Apple TV has. Its core features of streaming content are things that tons of things do, including much cheaper devices, or the TVs/etc themselves.

I don't want a PC for gaming and I actually used my PS3 more for media than games, so I like the idea of games being more of a secondary thing on a set-top box.

In a perfect world, I would have my modern games on an Apple TV and go to my classic consoles/handhelds for everything else.

[isiolia]

I don't want a PC for gaming and I actually used my PS3 more for media than games, so I like the idea of games being more of a secondary thing on a set-top box.

In a perfect world, I would have my modern games on an Apple TV and go to my classic consoles/handhelds for everything else.

Sure, but part of that is having a reason that you want to buy the set top box in the first place. Or what makes it all that different from a console.

More or less, Apple isn't breaking new ground. Android TV came out last year, and has spawned set top boxes (Razer Forge, nVidia Shield Console, etc). I mentioned Windows boxes because those can run HTPC shells or whatever else you might want, and some set-top oriented ones are in the price range, and have been for a couple years or more. There are also Chromeboxes, Roku, or other media sticks/boxes. If you wanted a little set top box with apps, Apple was pretty much the only one not offering one.

Plus, as mentioned, the fact that most TVs, Blu-ray players, and what have you include streaming, if not app capability and more already (my TV can use Playstation Now directly, for example).

That, to me, is the issue with the "oh, and games too" angle for these devices. It works for cell phones and tablets because those have inherent reasons you might want one. The living room environment has a lot more crossover, so a lot less reason to add another device like this. At least to me.

[racketboy]

I don't want a PC for gaming and I actually used my PS3 more for media than games, so I like the idea of games being more of a secondary thing on a set-top box.

In a perfect world, I would have my modern games on an Apple TV and go to my classic consoles/handhelds for everything else.

Sure, but part of that is having a reason that you want to buy the set top box in the first place. Or what makes it all that different from a console.

More or less, Apple isn't breaking new ground. Android TV came out last year, and has spawned set top boxes (Razer Forge, nVidia Shield Console, etc). I mentioned Windows boxes because those can run HTPC shells or whatever else you might want, and some set-top oriented ones are in the price range, and have been for a couple years or more. There are also Chromeboxes, Roku, or other media sticks/boxes. If you wanted a little set top box with apps, Apple was pretty much the only one not offering one.

Plus, as mentioned, the fact that most TVs, Blu-ray players, and what have you include streaming, if not app capability and more already (my TV can use Playstation Now directly, for example).

That, to me, is the issue with the "oh, and games too" angle for these devices. It works for cell phones and tablets because those have inherent reasons you might want one. The living room environment has a lot more crossover, so a lot less reason to add another device like this. At least to me.

As much of an Android fan I was from the beginning (converted to iOS this year), Apple has more clout to make an actual market change. Not sure if it will happen with Apple TV, but the Apple TV has a MUCH better chance of making headway than anything Android related.