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There is this issue I have, and no one in my town car really help me. All of them are still those young punk kids doing drugs and living with Mommy and Daddy... that or they really don't care to help me, because despite what EVER I do to assist the people I know (help em' move, work on their house, let em' borrow my car... all that stuff), none of them ever want to assist me with even their opinions. GRRRRR...

Anyways, here is probably the only place I hang out on the internet that have older more mature people who aren't complete and utter slobs who don't care about the condition of their house. Seeing as we have a "Game Rooms" section and other stuff, I assume several people here enjoy setting up their home for their comfort. Now I've got my game area set up, my bedroom all beautified, and all that wonderful stuff... shit I even have an "Antique room". There is one room left for me to figure out what to do with, and that is my Kitchen!

I bought my house off my sister, and despite whatever she says about her "fashion and style sense", she picks awful colours and tacky furniture. The kitchen is the best example of this with this gross pin stripe dark wallpaper, orange trim, wood tone counters and white appliances... I mean, gag and all that! This coupled with the poor design of Florida homes, I'm stuck with a tiny, ugly kitchen that just feels closed in and dark.

I've replaced the windows with big old double pain windows that aren't tinted (in the 80's everyone for some reason tinted their windows... probably because they thought it kept the house cooler). I've brightened up the room, but it still feels small, especially the foyer that is right outside of the kitchen. I don't know what to do with it.

worst is that the foyer area is very dark. The new front door I'm getting has a window on it, but this still keeps that little hallway very dark and cramped.



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Here's the kitchen lay out. the coloured areas are different places of interest. Thed red bar is the front door, the white thingy with circles the stove, the other whitish thing is the sink and the grey box is the fridge. The blue bars are the windows. The kitchen itself (the room on the left) is only about 12x10 with those corner parts cut out. Those zig zags are just doors that go into a bedroom, bathroom and closet/pantry. The other zig zag in the kitchen goes to the garage which I converted into a art studio with carpeting and stuff.

I'm thinking removing that wall there I'm pointing at with a purple arrow, but can't decide how... the house has mexican tile and removing the wall would leave a big open spot of no tile. Laying in new tile would require ripping up a LARGE section of tile which I don't really have the patience for right now (would require tiling the entire foyer and kitchen so the tile would match, and mexican tile is a bitch to set).

Another idea was to cut the wall down to about 4 feet and put in a bar there, negating the need for a kitchen table in the already small kitchen (no dining room in my house, South Florida loves to negate dining rooms from their houses). Downside to this is that the space between the window and the door is under a foot, when butt up against it... leaving me with the option of only a kidney shaped bar... gross. The window is only 3 feet off the ground, so staying below it would just look like a midget table.

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my QUESTIONS:

What would you do?

Are there people to ask about this? And don't say the guy at Home Depot, most of them can't tie there shoes, let alone help me. I walk in there sometimes and they look at me like I'm a punk that doesn't belong in the Contractor's section... then I ask where the Tyvek or tin-Z-stripping is and they can't even help me.
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I was going to say "yeah, remove the wall" until I read the part about the tiles. Is there a "quick fix" solution that you would find acceptable, like covering the hole with something so that it is leveled, and then covering the different area with a rug or something?

If the kitchen is small, then removing the wall is probably the best way to go. OTOH, do mind that this wall is more or less separating the kitchen from the entrance and from the rooms - you could probably get some sort of curtain or even a sliding door to make the separation when you want it there, though.

The sort of person that can help you with this stuff is an architect - some of them are interior specialists (it's not like they all just draw houses). They are trained to have imagination and to arrive at good solutions to this type of problem.

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yeah... but here in Florida, the home of all contracted scam artists, design is the last thing on anyone's minds...

not to say there aren't any good interior designers... I'm just wondering how the HELL do you get a hold of these kinds of people?

Here's the actual lay out of my house, I like it and all, kinda cute. I'm from New England though and these tiny little places that look like tetris pieces put together just bug me out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/ ... LayOut.png

Just look at that... there is no flow to the home. It's all a little weird.

I'm used to New England style:

Enter large foyer with stairs
right is usually dining area
left is usually LARGE living room
forward around stairs into kitchen with large pantry and garage access on right
upstairs is 3 large bedrooms circling the top floor with one large communial landing.

The flow of that just feels natural to me.

or on the cheap side (like the house I grew up in):
squarish house with main support beams in center (entrance to basement and main support of center of home)
front area around center is large communical area... kitchen/dining/visiting. This is where you enter
Two hall ways down each side of center area. One contains stairwell up, the other stairwell down to basement and toilet
Large living room on the other side
2 large bedrooms and a study up stairs lined up in same places as the living area and communial area down stairs. Study over toilet.

Now that is old school, 2 story, colonial. (actually the communial area was an extension put on in 1950, before that the living room was the communial area for EVERYTHING, and only a bedroom and a study up stairs).
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Well, first make sure that wall doesn't have any support structures in it. You don't want to remove anything needed to support the house.

Consider getting one of those mid-window curtains for the window, to cover the bottom 1.5 - 2.0 feet of it and maybe, instead of a regular bar, cut the wall down so that it's a tall bar, like a breakfast bar. You know, of the height you'd need those really tall stools and can stand next to it. With the mid-window curtain it wouldn't look weird at all. When you're not using the bar you can move the curtain aside.

I don't know how the mexican tile is laid, but you'll still have an empty bit of wall above the bar. I guess you could just decorate it in a distinctive fashion.

You might also want to consider leaving the wall there but cutting out a service window with a small sill. Then you can put shelves for kitchen equipment (I don't know about you, but I like cooking and want lots of stuff to cook with) or a baker's rack or whatever and then that little service window will open up the room, and the foyer, quite a bit.

Just my 20 cents ;)
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Yeah I was going to suggest what Marurun said. I think chopping the wall down to a breakfast bar would be the best option by far.
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devilmyarse wrote:Yeah I was going to suggest what Marurun said. I think chopping the wall down to a breakfast bar would be the best option by far.
This one of my ideas as well... I'm thinking though leaving some of the wall up on the side with the window on door, so that the bar doesn't cover the window itself at all... it might be weird having that little 1 foot gap there, but atleast it doesn't jump right over it.

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Oh and the wall isn't a main support in my house... I don't think there is any main support in my house. I was very annoyed to find the way the roof was built for my house this last month. I've been taking down all the old vinyl siding, and replacing the windows, replywooding the house and putting on "hardi-board" siding. In the process I've found several loose 2X4s and several near the roof that aren't even braced or nailed to anything at all!
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With all your suggestions I came up with this... what do you think?

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I decided on a breakfast bar, but keep it off the door some (there are light switches there anyways... give em' a nice place to stay).
I'm gonna keep a bit of the wall towards the top and on the kitchen side it has crown molding; the kitchen already has it all over, this way I don't have to bring the molding into the foyer and it still looks god.
Then along where the kitchen entrance is I'm gonna build a wooden box from bar to ceiling that contains something like maybe a spice rack or wine rack or similar. There is also a light switch here, so it'll go into this wooden rack.

Thanks for your help guys.
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Looks good! Great job! Exactly what I imagined the breakfast bar idea would look like! You gonna show us what it looks like when you have finished?
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Tres cool. Should open the place right up (at least it should feel like it does).
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Why the brown thing on the right of the picture, and indeed why leave a bit of the wall on the top part (is the ceiling not enough as a top boundary)? It seems to me more space on the "gap" would be better, so just leave a bit of wall on the left of the pic, and of course the bottom part. But you may have good reasons to leave extra parts there (and in the case of the brown bit, put something new there?)

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