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[BurningDoom]

Batwoman Creative Walks-Out of DC Comics After Controversial Editorial Decision



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/batwoman- ... 13574.html

How many writers have to walk out of DC Comics before they realize they're shooting themselves in the foots by being so controlling over their writer's creativity? This is far from the first instance since DC's New 52 began.

[SpaceBooger]

Did anyone check out DC's Forever Evil event this week? What did everyone think of the opening week of this event?

First of all, those 3-D covers look amazing. I know gimmick covers are like the bane of the comic collecting community, but I've always liked them. And these particular covers just look beautiful. And a pic, unfortunately, doesn't do them justice, you need to see them in person to see the eye-popping effect.

As for the issues themselves, well the origin issues are cool. It's nice to see definitive origins for these characters in the New 52 universe. And I like how most of them aren't evil just for the sake of being evil, they have some motivating factor to them.

But, the main title, Forever Evil #1, was a bit disappointing, IMO. The fight scenes between the Crime Syndicate and the Justice League were just PATHETIC. These should have been drag-down, knock fights that were full of fantastic super-hero action. I mean we're talking about the Justice League, comics' most powerful super-team, fighting their evil counterparts which are JUST AS powerful.

And then the villains just take-over the world, just like that? Just because the Justice League is down? What about the other 100 or so heroes inhabiting the DC Universe? Teen Titans? Outsiders? Justice League Dark and America? Task Force X? Hopefully this will be addressed as the series goes on.

Your thoughts?

I haven't read Forever Evil yet, but I did read Batman 23.1: the Joker. I was not impressed. It showed him being abused by his aunt... And that was it. It wasn't relevant and messes with the idea that his past is forgotten.

[BurningDoom]

Superior Spider-Man Meets Spider-Man 2099



The first issue came out this week in Superior Spider-Man #17. What did everyone think?

I really liked it. It pulled me in from both Superior SM's and SM 2099's points-of-view. I'm also a sucker for time-travel stories. And the mention of Achemex and seeing SM 2099 swinging through his futuristic city really brought back memories of the Spider-Man 2099 series, which I followed through back-issues many years back. So I'm sure nostalgia had a lot to do with it. The art was also great looking. Both characters looked great.

And when did Liz Allen's kid go all Damien (The Omen). I also don't recall him ever having any kind of mind-reading or precognition powers.

[SpaceBooger]

I just got done writing my first "Classic Run 2099" post with this issue staring me in the eyes. I quit reading Spider-Man a couple issues after he became "superior", but being a 2099 fan I couldn't resist this issue.
With the article completed, I read the issue. I still hate this version of Spider-Man, but have to admit that the dynamic between him and Miguel looks promising. The ties of current and 2099 continuity is awesome... too bad I dislike the title character so much.

[Michi]

Batwoman Creative Walks-Out of DC Comics After Controversial Editorial Decision

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/batwoman- ... 13574.html

Well....nuts.

I was perfectly fine with the story-line so far. I suppose this means I can now look forward to a jarring story-line change in issue #27 and a bunch of unresolved sub-plots

[BurningDoom]

I just got done writing my first "Classic Run 2099" post with this issue staring me in the eyes. I quit reading Spider-Man a couple issues after he became "superior", but being a 2099 fan I couldn't resist this issue.
With the article completed, I read the issue. I still hate this version of Spider-Man, but have to admit that the dynamic between him and Miguel looks promising. The ties of current and 2099 continuity is awesome... too bad I dislike the title character so much.

I can't disagree, yet I can't stop reading it. I HATE what they've done to Peter Parker. But it's got me so curious where it's all going to go, that I can't stop following along. And obviously the writing is good, or it wouldn't have kept me hooked on it for 17 issues. But I couldn't tell you what it is exactly about it that I like.

[Gamerforlife]

So I'm getting caught up on weeks of comic book reading, as gaming has kind of gotten in the way of my other hobbies as it often does. I finally reading Morrison's last Batman Inc story arc and...I am starting to realize that I just don't like his writing style. Granted, there were moments I really enjoyed. The Talia flashbacks, the moments Damian had with Alfred and Grayson, and a few other random things. However, I found the final issue anti-climactic and dissapointing and I can't shake the feeling that Morrison was really making fun of the Batman character quite a bit throughout this arc, especially in the final issue. I found it quite irritating

Now, I'm not a long time time Morrison fan like some people and haven't read all of his stuff, so take that for what it's worth, but man his stories get convoluted and a little ridiculous and over the top at times and there's always that subtle bit of snark. I don't know, guess I'm not a Morrison guy

I feel like Scott Snyder is a FAR superior writer and much prefer him and guys like Tomasi writing my Batman stories. I do like some of the things Morrison creates however, as I really came to like Damian and he wouldn't exist if not for Morrison. I like some of Morrison's ideas, but don't really like reading his stories. I also felt like the Batman he presented in this Batman Inc arc was very dumbed down intellectually. I've seen other writers present me with a smarter Batman than this one, who was made to look like an idiot by Talia over and over and over again.

[RCBH928]

Batwoman Creative Walks-Out of DC Comics After Controversial Editorial Decision



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/batwoman- ... 13574.html

How many writers have to walk out of DC Comics before they realize they're shooting themselves in the foots by being so controlling over their writer's creativity? This is far from the first instance since DC's New 52 began.

What kind of editorial decisions do they force on the writers ?

[SpaceBooger]

What kind of editorial decisions do they force on the writers ?

None that are out of bounds.
DC owns the characters and the editors/suits often think about the future of the characters and the writers think about the present storyline. Many writers want to do something and the editors say no, so they storm off. I wish I could say no at my job - "No. I refuse to give grades in the form of an A, B, C, D or F. Instead I will give high-fives for quality work, a regular five for average work and a low-five for below average work."
While I see no harm from Batwoman getting married, those higher up at DC/WB don't like that, heck they don't like any character being married, straight or not, including Superman. I don't think this is a straight vs gay thing, I think it's a "we don't want our characters married because it will handcuff future writers."

[BurningDoom]

What kind of editorial decisions do they force on the writers ?

None that are out of bounds.
DC owns the characters and the editors/suits often think about the future of the characters and the writers think about the present storyline. Many writers want to do something and the editors say no, so they storm off. I wish I could say no at my job - "No. I refuse to give grades in the form of an A, B, C, D or F. Instead I will give high-fives for quality work, a regular five for average work and a low-five for below average work."
While I see no harm from Batwoman getting married, those higher up at DC/WB don't like that, heck they don't like any character being married, straight or not, including Superman. I don't think this is a straight vs gay thing, I think it's a "we don't want our characters married because it will handcuff future writers."

If this was the first time this has happened, I might agree with you.

But no way this is a case of a upset, spoiled creator not getting his way. Because this isn't the first, second, or even third time creative has walked out of DC Comics' doors since this New 52 universe has begun. Multiple creators have walked out of DC's offices over "editorial decisions".

With such a trend recently, there is something definitely going wrong with editorial at DC, not the creators.

From the last interview I read, editors are okaying storylines for creators, then last minute telling them no and then they're left out in the cold to try and scramble together something else last minute. Other creators have decided not to comment at all. And Rob Lifield went off in an online rant at DC when he left.