NFL 2014 Thread

[stickem]

But what was al davis's favorite quote?

[Luke]

But what was al davis's favorite quote?

You expect me to pay over ten dollars for a hooker?

Just a guess.

[stickem]

But what was al davis's favorite quote?

You expect me to pay over ten dollars for a hooker?

Just a guess.

Just win baby! Just saying with your raider example he cared about winning

[Luke]

Just win baby! Just saying with your raider example he cared about winning

Al Davis was the worst. He'd say he'd give you a dollar and pay you a penny.

I do think JJ meant it when he asked "How Bout Dem Cowboys?!!!". He wanted to work hard, cash in, and then phone it in, as he did.

[Jmustang1968]

A great example is the fall of the Raiders. One time rabid fan base for a team with past success. They have been bad for over a decade and have a bad stadium situation which has lowered value.

Yet the Gruden Bowl rebuilt the brand, even when they lost. The Raiders are a great example of a team with an owner who didn't care about winning.

The answer to the question of "When will the raiders win?" was always "When Al Davis dies".

Al Davis gave two shits about winning. Broken record again here, but he sold tickets and made the money to make his pals happy. And yet, Raider Nation stayed faithful. Lose win or draw, he won.

Feel like I'm trying to place a round peg through a square space with my ideology. Owners don't care if they win. They care if they make money. If you are happy or not they don't care. If their teams wins or loses, the owner only cares if they are in the black. Most pro sports teams are cash cows, and there are plenty of Fortune 500 companies that barely break even, which is fine as all overhead is covered.

Perhaps my education is a step backwards for me. Perhaps it has even skewed my perception to think that the bottom line is the only measure of success. But that is what it is. I believe you either make money or lose it, and "winning" is miniscule. I'd rather retire at forty than have forty "best employee of the year" awards.

Winning money means a lot more to me than winning a cheap trophy. I think owners agree with me on that.

But he did care about winning. Him and Jones more so than the other owners as they took over an active GM role. It is just ridiculous that you say that.

The question of the Raiders winning when Davis dies wasnt because of his lack of desire to win. It is because he drafted players and adhered to a philosophy that was successful in the 60s, 70s, and 80s and he didnt modernize. He also seemingly became a bit senile in the end. So they struggled despite his efforts similar to Jerry. They want to win, they just blunder and have (had) huge egos.

The problem is, these years of losing has the Raiders in the bottom quarter of team values where they used to be higher.

Owners want money of course, these teams are investments but winning = money.

[stickem]

i was just thinking that. davis put together some good teams years ago but the game evolved and he didn't. jj just wants to play gm and hasn't got a clue ever since the salary cap came into effect. like he said "i'd probably be fired by now if i didn't own the team".

[cha cha]

There goes Ray Rice.

Once that unedited video hit, I guess people really lost their shit over it.

[dsheinem]

There goes Ray Rice.

Once that unedited video hit, I guess people really lost their shit over it.

As they should.

Good riddance. I hope no one picks him up, ever.

[Ack]

There goes Ray Rice.

Once that unedited video hit, I guess people really lost their shit over it.

As they should.

Good riddance. I hope no one picks him up, ever.

I don't think anyone can. According to the New York Times, Rice has been indefinitely suspended from the NFL.

[dsheinem]

I don't think anyone can. According to the New York Times, Rice has been indefinitely suspended from the NFL.

Yeah, I saw that after. The cynic in me thinks that this is too much after-the-fact ass-covering by the league, but I do hope it becomes a permaban.