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Ack wrote:So the Internet Archive just released The Internet Arcade, which offers quite a few arcade games from the 1970s to the early 1990s, playable in your browser via JSMAME. The few I've messed around with run a little slow, but the scope and size of all of this is pretty impressive.
I played w/ it a bit yesterday too, and results were hit or miss. Though I was using Chrome and it suggest Firefox, so that could be part of it. It is very impressive in its ambition though. I'm gonna dabble w/ it some more.
And their Console Living Room has continue to expand and now has a solid selection of Sega Genesis/Mega Drive games, among others! No Nintendo stuff yet, but old Sega consoles make me happy.
THIS I was not aware of. And now I'm pretty excited to check it out. :)
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While I appreciate classic games being released for a wide audience, this is quite simply piracy. It's not any more legal or respectful towards the creators than all those Rom sites.

They do not have a right to release a game they don't own the rights for just because it's 20 years old.
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Erik_Twice wrote:While I appreciate classic games being released for a wide audience, this is quite simply piracy. It's not any more legal or respectful towards the creators than all those Rom sites.

They do not have a right to release a game they don't own the rights for just because it's 20 years old.
Perhaps. Considering their selection of home consoles though, there might be some sort of licensing deal in play that we are unaware of. Pre-Saturn Sega consoles are represented, as are things like ColecoVision, VTech Socrates, Super A'Can, Watara SuperVision, the Atari 2600, the Astrocade, and the Fairchild Channel F. It's possible that they chose game consoles they could get permission for or are not under any sort of protective license. Quite a few of the companies involved either went bankrupt, died out, were bought out, or operate out of China.
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Ack wrote:Perhaps. Considering their selection of home consoles though, there might be some sort of licensing deal in play that we are unaware of.
It seems extremely unlikely, they would have publicited it and I really can't see Nintendo, Sega and Capcom allowing their games like that. There's not even a legal disclaimer.

I would also bet my left leg they don't have the rights to Indiana Jones, The Three Stooges and Journey. :lol:
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Erik_Twice wrote:
Ack wrote:Perhaps. Considering their selection of home consoles though, there might be some sort of licensing deal in play that we are unaware of.
It seems extremely unlikely, they would have publicited it and I really can't see Nintendo, Sega and Capcom allowing their games like that. There's not even a legal disclaimer.

I would also bet my left leg they don't have the rights to Indiana Jones, The Three Stooges and Journey. :lol:
Maybe. But it's interesting to note they don't have Nintendo.

And Indiana Jones was Atari, The Three Stooges was Cinemaware, and Journey was Midway. The licenses themselves are owned by something else, sure, but the companies that made the games all went defunct at some point. Two have been at least partly resurrected, but God only knows what happened to the ownership of these games.
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Ack wrote:Maybe. But it's interesting to note they don't have Nintendo.
They have Radarscope. Which makes me even more suspicious :lol:
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Ack wrote:Maybe. But it's interesting to note they don't have Nintendo.
They have Radarscope. Which makes me even more suspicious :lol:
Well, if you feel the need to report them, feel free:

https://ap.nintendo.com/report/
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It's not about reporting, Ack, I'm simply wary of the aura of legitimancy that is given to what is pretty much a rom site like Emuparadise, Romhustler or whatever junk we use to play games made by Toaplan. It's one thing for this stuff to exist in an underhanded, clearly illegal, at best morally grey way and another to put it as preserving gaming or what have you.
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Erik_Twice wrote:It's not about reporting, Ack, I'm simply wary of the aura of legitimancy that is given to what is pretty much a rom site like Emuparadise, Romhustler or whatever junk we use to play games made by Toaplan. It's one thing for this stuff to exist in an underhanded, clearly illegal, at best morally grey way and another to put it as preserving gaming or what have you.
maybe the fact that there's no ROMs to download is the difference? You're literally playing Archive's ROM. And maybe they ripped it from their own collection? I really don't know the legality of all that, but it's possible? Remember, Archive.org is a non-profit internet library, and they've been around a long time. I can't help but think that they'd make sure whatever they're doing wasn't illegal.
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Erik_Twice wrote:It's not about reporting, Ack, I'm simply wary of the aura of legitimancy that is given to what is pretty much a rom site like Emuparadise, Romhustler or whatever junk we use to play games made by Toaplan. It's one thing for this stuff to exist in an underhanded, clearly illegal, at best morally grey way and another to put it as preserving gaming or what have you.
Perhaps, though it's also worth noting that the Internet Archive makes it a point to try and backup as much as possible for the purpose of research. They're interested in trying to preserve these things, even if it is via a legal grey area.

They're not a ROM site. They preserve webpages, audio, video, text, etc., from the Internet that may well otherwise have been lost to time if they hadn't come along. And I don't believe they offer any means via which to download the game ROMs, just to play them in a browser-based emulator they helped design themselves. The hope is that people will be able to turn to this partly for nostalgia, but also for research, reference, and preservation. Otherwise, some of it may well be lost.

You've talked in the past about how you would like game reviewers to play certain classic games. And these guys are preserving games like I, Robot or the Birdie King trilogy at least partly for that purpose, without offering users the chance to pirate them on their own. If we could all access such games easily, sure, that would be great. But many of the games represented there are from long-defunct companies that never saw a home release.

Here's a quick read on it if you would like a look into the mind of one of the guys who put it together:

http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4419
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