Anonymous strikes again

[AppleQueso]

The one thing I do find troublesome is that you can no longer play new PS3 games if you want to stay with the old firmware. That is the case isn't it? I'm sure you agree to that in the PS3 system software EULA though.

Sometimes there's a valid reason for a game to require you to have the newest firmware, like if the newest firmware makes some under-the-hood adjustments that the game depends on to run properly.

This isn't always the case though obviously.

[noiseredux]

@Inazuma: --> "And you dodged the question. Aren't companies afforded rights to protect their investments and IPs? Each side has to give a little and meet somewhere in the middle."

[dsheinem]

I want the option of participating in a class action lawsuit. I'm not gonna give up an important right like that over video games.

so don't. no one is forcing you, and unlike with OtherOS they are giving you a chance to opt out AND keep the service.

Are you saying that Sony and Microsoft are idiots for doing something that is completely pointless and makes no difference?

not at all. I am not in favor of their decision, but for now they are within their legal rights. See this thread for more on my thoughts on the issue if you care.

You have dodged a number of questions in this thread, you have made number of ad hominem attacks, and you have presented arguments that aren't grounded in demonstrable evidence. Either quit while you are behind or start making your case with some actual facts (if you can).

[DinnerX]

The one thing I do find troublesome is that you can no longer play new PS3 games if you want to stay with the old firmware. That is the case isn't it? I'm sure you agree to that in the PS3 system software EULA though.

Sometimes there's a valid reason for a game to require you to have the newest firmware, like if the newest firmware makes some under-the-hood adjustments that the game depends on to run properly.

This isn't always the case though obviously.

I know. Seems like a devious little way to force stuff on you though, if you want your console to keep playing new games. You do agree to this absurd arrangement though.

[MrPopo]

The one thing I do find troublesome is that you can no longer play new PS3 games if you want to stay with the old firmware. That is the case isn't it? I'm sure you agree to that in the PS3 system software EULA though.

Sometimes there's a valid reason for a game to require you to have the newest firmware, like if the newest firmware makes some under-the-hood adjustments that the game depends on to run properly.

This isn't always the case though obviously.

I know. Seems like a devious little way to force stuff on you though, if you want your console to keep playing new games. You do agree to this absurd arrangement though.

It's less devious than you think. When they make the game they do all their testing on some version of the firmware, version X. It's much easier to require version X than it is to ensure your game works on all prior firmware versions. Not to mention that devs probably don't have access to prior firmware versions.

[Inazuma]

@Inazuma: --> "And you dodged the question. Aren't companies afforded rights to protect their investments and IPs? Each side has to give a little and meet somewhere in the middle."

This isn't up for discussion. Yes, companies are afforded rights to protect their investments and IPs. That's a fact. It doesn't matter what we say about this so why do you keep asking me?

I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. Also, just because something is illegal, doesn't make it wrong.

Piracy only grows stronger when companies do shit like this. Sony knows that. But then they can use piracy as an excuse to restrict and control their paying customers. That's why they pull shit like this. Sadly, most people fall for it, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

[Jmustang1968]

This isn't up for discussion. Yes, companies are afforded rights to protect their investments and IPs. That's a fact. It doesn't matter what we say about this so why do you keep asking me?

I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. Also, just because something is illegal, doesn't make it wrong.

Piracy only grows stronger when companies do shit like this. Sony knows that. But then they can use piracy as an excuse to restrict and control their paying customers. That's why they pull shit like this. Sadly, most people fall for it, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

Piracy is rampant when it is easy. You'd be surprised at how many people who don't have the technical knowledge to pirate games when it is made difficult to do so. Will the hackers and tech savvy guys still pirate? Sure, there are always ways around it, but I think it discourages the average gamer. Imagine the amount of piracy if all you needed to do is burn a disc and pop it in? Companies just need to know when to draw the line on where stopping piracy hassles honest customers too much.

I also find those who justify pirating by saying the campany makes me pirate because of drm are going to pirate anyway and just use that to excuse thir actions.

[DinnerX]

It's less devious than you think. When they make the game they do all their testing on some version of the firmware, version X. It's much easier to require version X than it is to ensure your game works on all prior firmware versions. Not to mention that devs probably don't have access to prior firmware versions.

Oh, sorry. I was a little unclear. I meant sony, who would be handing out the dev kits and all, was devious, not the game makers.

If sony wanted to they could certainly set things up so you didn't need to upgrade the firmware. That's my point.

[MrPopo]

@Inazuma: --> "And you dodged the question. Aren't companies afforded rights to protect their investments and IPs? Each side has to give a little and meet somewhere in the middle."

This isn't up for discussion. Yes, companies are afforded rights to protect their investments and IPs. That's a fact. It doesn't matter what we say about this so why do you keep asking me?

I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. Also, just because something is illegal, doesn't make it wrong.

Piracy only grows stronger when companies do shit like this. Sony knows that. But then they can use piracy as an excuse to restrict and control their paying customers. That's why they pull shit like this. Sadly, most people fall for it, or don't care enough to do anything about it.

So are you saying that Sony SHOULDN'T be able to protect their IPs, even though currently they are allowed to? I'm trying to figure out how things would work if you had your way.

[Inazuma]

So are you saying that Sony SHOULDN'T be able to protect their IPs, even though currently they are allowed to? I'm trying to figure out how things would work if you had your way.

They should be able to protect their IPs, but not if it means punishing their legitimate customers.

For example, if there was a website that was selling pirated PS3 games, I think Sony should be allowed to shut them down. They shouldn't be allowed to require a constant internet connection in order to play games.

They should be able to sue companies who make blatant rip offs of their games. They shouldn't be able to have bullshit like online pass.

See the difference? It's fine to fight back against people who are truly doing harm to you. It's not right to punish your paying customers and treat them like pirates.