Joystiq lives on

[Jmustang1968]

You were talking, iirc, about what the games do, not how they are critiqued as a type of media.

That's it I'm coming to your house.

Better hope you are driving a snow plow...

[Sarge]

This might come off rambly and without point, I'm just trying to say that women being in an industry, or even part of an industry, doesn't mean that the pull is there for women to actually be interested.

And sometimes that's okay! We're all wired differently.

[dsheinem]

social justice is the worst

Their socio-political leanings isn't even close to the worst part about Polygon. I can think of 750,000 reasons you shouldn't trust Polygon when it comes to their opinion of Microsoft and Microsoft's direct competition. Hell, even more when you look at their editorial staff and where some of them came from.

Within a week of opening, they had already broken their own ethics policy by printing advertorial content. There's nothing inherently wrong with advertorial content, but when it's in your own ethics policy not to print it, just wow.

http://www.accelerated-ideas.com/news/t ... round.aspx
^ Written before that particular event.


^ Uploaded before that particular event.

Feel free to have your own socio-political views, I honestly don't give a shit about that stuff in concerns with video gaming which is already one of the most populous and diverse entertainment sectors in the world - but don't take up a charlatan as your messiah.

WOW TEH RABBIT HOLE IS DEEP

Sorry, but this site and this video is just full of horseshit, flat out, full stop. MS' drop in the bucket at Polygon's inception just has nothing to do with their reviews or anything else.

[dsheinem]

You were talking, iirc, about what the games do, not how they are critiqued as a type of media.

That's it I'm coming to your house.

Seriously man, if how something is critiqued affects what it does, then the inverse is true. And that means if the way something is critiqued carries across mediums, than what those things do also carries across mediums.

Again...iirc...before you wanted to compare games to other media in terms of their detachment from youth and ascendancy to seriousness. I said, essentially, that "you can't really do that b/c games are about play, other media are not." Being play is what they do and defines the nature of the medium, regardless of any game's content.

In the example in this thread, you can make the comparison between criticism (of content in games) and criticism in other media (of their content) because the criticism you are talking about has to do with the same kind of stuff (e.g. race, class, gender, sexuality, etc.).

I hope that's a bit clearer, less flippant.

[Exhuminator]

With that information, I do understand your point of view on that particular matter. It's an interesting discussion worth pursuing in a separate thread at some point.

To revisit the prior topic. I am not sure that criticizing a medium will directly influence the nature of its content. I don't mean maximizing particular genres in proliferation, I mean the moment-to-moment nitty-gritty details of the content. This is worth discussing in its own thread as well, I totally think it is. But for now I will drop this topic in this thread because we have totally derailed what this thread was supposed to be about.

R.I.P. Joystick?

[J T]

R.I.P. Joystiq

[Sarge]

Yeah, I played my part, too. Rest in peace, Joystiq.

[Blu]

All of this hypothetical conjecture that women aren't interested in a game design. Is it because it's consumed mainly by men? What prevents it from being more accessible and inclusive to women who are interested in the medium? I'd venture a guess:

It's the fact that the field is already heavily dominated by men. Any acknowledgement of, "I don't think women are interested in game development," is a fallacy and maintains the status quo. I'm certain there's women that would love to develop games, but they take a look at the ways they're depicted in the ones that exist, and they see that it's toxic and inhospitable. This doesn't even mention what the actual culture of being a woman in such a firm/developer/office/workplace and factors that might make their experience insufferable.

[MrPopo]

All of this hypothetical conjecture that women aren't interested in a game design. Is it because it's consumed mainly by men? What prevents it from being more accessible and inclusive to women who are interested in the medium? I'd venture a guess:

It's the fact that the field is already heavily dominated by men. Any acknowledgement of, "I don't think women are interested in game development," is a fallacy and maintains the status quo. I'm certain there's women that would love to develop games, but they take a look at the ways they're depicted in the ones that exist, and they see that it's toxic and inhospitable. This doesn't even mention what the actual culture of being a woman in such a firm/developer/office/workplace and factors that might make their experience insufferable.

Indeed. I think the gender disparity in tech jobs is not something as simple as "women aren't interested in it." There's a lot of things going on from perceived intimidation from the industry to societal gender roles. You see a similar massive gender disparity in jobs related to overseeing small children. How many male preschool and kindergarten teachers do you know?

[Jmustang1968]

Hmm it is hard to say. Is it possible women flock to childcare jobs due to motherly natures? I don't know the answer.

But a counterpoint Blu, what about how women are depicted in film and tv? There is no shortage of women wanting to act. Same maybe cant be said for directing/writing, I do not know.