Entrapment

[o.pwuaioc]

Perhaps he's an immigrant?

Also, I imagined this thread would end up to insults but I hardly expected it to be about grammar

He makes a good point that Luke and Dave kept avoiding, but we knew that would happen because that's all there is to it. Pot is no more harmful than cigarettes and actually much less harmful than alcohol. It's easy to see Luke resorting to an ad hominem fallacy because he has no substance to his objection.

Actually the police have field tests that can determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana.

Are these accurate enough to stand up to medical scrutiny in court? The driving issue has always been my major sticking point for legalization, and as far as I know there's no test that's akin to a breathalyzer for testing if someone is presently stoned.

It's as easy as doing any non-breathalyzer sobriety test.

[MrPopo]

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. It has nothing to do with the fact that parents (who vote) don't want their kids on drugs.

[Hatta]

As the story in the first post of this thread shows, the real threat to children is the war on drugs.

[o.pwuaioc]

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. It has nothing to do with the fact that parents (who vote) don't want their kids on drugs.

If anything, the "sting" turned otherwise good kids into drug sellers. It absolutely does not have anything to do with parents voting, especially since no fucking parent votes on what the police do once the law has been established. No parents voted for the police to move forward with this "sting". Nice try with a irrelevant red herring, though.

[harper]

Moral of the story: Love is blind and don't do illegal shit. Period.

[MrPopo]

Yes, it's all a conspiracy. It has nothing to do with the fact that parents (who vote) don't want their kids on drugs.

If anything, the "sting" turned otherwise good kids into drug sellers. It absolutely does not have anything to do with parents voting, especially since no fucking parent votes on what the police do once the law has been established. No parents voted for the police to move forward with this "sting". Nice try with a irrelevant red herring, though.

Except I didn't render an opinion of the sting. I rendered an opinion on why effort is being spent on fighting drugs. It was in response to Hatta's post, but I didn't feel like quoting the whole long thing.

[MrPopo]

Perhaps he's an immigrant?

Also, I imagined this thread would end up to insults but I hardly expected it to be about grammar

He makes a good point that Luke and Dave kept avoiding, but we knew that would happen because that's all there is to it. Pot is no more harmful than cigarettes and actually much less harmful than alcohol.

I approve of your argument against alcohol and cigarettes.

[Breetai]

If you guys want to see a lot of poorly written arguments about the legalization of marijuana, then just ask any undergraduate class across the country to write you a paper on the topic of their choice. I've been teaching at the university level for several years now, and it's really shocking how poorly the average undergraduate writes. And for some reason, whenever you give them an assignment based on their topic of choice, there's always the "legalize it" paper, and it always makes you think you have a non-native speaker because of how bad the grammar is, and then you hand back the paper and it's the local white dude with the blond dreads. Every. Time.

Sorry, just a little teacher rant there.

If you think university is bad, try teaching grade 4!!!

Then again, none of them try to write about legalizing weed.

[J T]

If you think university is bad, try teaching grade 4!!!

Then again, none of them try to write about legalizing weed.

At least it's understandable that they wouldn't be able to write well at that age.

The way the school system is now, they just want to get kids to pass their multiple choice standardized tests and then they send them off to college, but forget to teach them that whole bit about writing.

[dsheinem]

I think pot use/possession should be decriminalized and that there should be no penalty for smoking/growing if it is clear you aren't harming others. That said, I still have some serious concerns about legalizing pot:

-Driving. sure, field sobriety tests can suggest that you are stoned, but they aren't near as accurate or defensible as breathalyzer and blood tests are for determining alcohol levels. We need a way to know if someone is driving while high at that very moment and impose penalties accordingly, otherwise we'll see a drastic increase in accidents.

-Secondhand pot smoke and children in the house. Is secondhand cigarette smoke bad? Of course. Can you get high off of it? no. Too many parents are irresponsible, and while it isn't the responsibility of the state to be a parent, it is the responsibility of the state to protect kids from moronic and harmful parents who would be happy to smoke up with an infant in bed next to them . I'd like to know how this issue could be addressed before I'd be happy with any pro-legalization bill.

-A clear plan for how to legalize it. Am I going to buy pot in a tobacconist? Can I grow it? Can I still buy it from a dealer? Is some potency ok and some not? Is it going to be FDA approved? Is it going to be for all ages? 21? 18? Will there be certain locations where it is ok/not ok? I'd like to know what regulations, if any, would accompany a plan to legalize it, and I've never heard any kind of coherent vision of what this would look like.

Perhaps none of these are legitmate concerns, and I'd love to know I have no ground to stand on with any of these points...so tell me why I can unabashedly join in with the pro-legalize movement!