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Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:03 pm
by CRTGAMER
Niode wrote:
kingmohd84 wrote:How can be listening to music from multiple cds more convenient than an mp3 player?
It's not, just that I have no way of interfacing my MP3 player with my car stereo. So hundreds of CD-Rs will have to do.

While driving a car
Well there is one advantage, a CDR can only hold so many songs. Easier to get to a particular song over searching a 500 track MP3 player. A CDR full of MP3s is worse, you can't program in subcategories, but have to track forward to find the 87th track.

However MP3s will never skip because of road condition bumps. My older CD player can read MP3 coded discs. Sometimes the regular pressed music discs would skip, the MP3 CDRs never a burp. Maybe all the entire MP3 track is loaded into memory first?

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:09 pm
by RyaNtheSlayA
Why does this topic bring all the bots to the yard?

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:58 pm
by CRTGAMER
RyaNtheSlayA wrote:Why does this topic bring all the bots to the yard?

Three new members with an unrelated post of this Thread! Who are these guys?

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Now four! Delete these bums!

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Thankyou Mods, the Spam "Members" are removed.

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:02 pm
by GSZX1337
Niode wrote:
kingmohd84 wrote:How can be listening to music from multiple cds more convenient than an mp3 player?


It's not, just that I have no way of interfacing my MP3 player with my car stereo. So hundreds of CD-Rs will have to do.

I have AUX-in with my stereo, but I still use CD-Rs. It's much more convenient and safer (I'm don't have to look down to switch tracks) for me.

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:57 pm
by Ziggy
Niode wrote:
Ziggy587 wrote:
Niode wrote:Sadly my car doesn't have an AUX-IN so I have to make do with hundreds upon hundreds of CD-Rs of music filling up my glove box.


It can't read mp3 CDs either?


Nope. This is a pretty basic model from 2006 before those things were pretty ubiquitous in cars.


It's the stock deck, or after market? Maybe it's different in our different regions, but after market decks around that time pretty much all had the ability to read mp3's off a CD. The technology got a little better since then, but my Sony deck from 2005 reads mp3's. It wasn't the bottom of the line model, but pretty close to it.

CRTGAMER wrote:A CDR full of MP3s is worse, you can't program in subcategories, but have to track forward to find the 87th track.


My older deck (described above) can't, but the two newer decks I've played with (including one I bought for my brother for his birthday, which I used for a week or two while my deck was temporarily stolen) can skip albums and not just tracks. For example, I burned all the Incubus albums to a CD for my brother, and with his newer deck you can skip not only tracks, but skip to the next album. It's pretty neat. If you wanted to have a totally mixed CDR, you can split it into chunks of 15 (or whatever) songs and be able to skip between the chunks. That's MUCH better than having to eject and replace CDs while you're driving.

The two main mixed mp3 CDs I keep in my car, I don't mind having to skip. Normally I'm driving alone, and I don't skip tracks (I just let it play all the way through the CD). Occasionally if I'm driving with some one and the conversation sparks the thought of a song that I wanna skip to, it's not even that bad. I alphabetize all the songs on my mixed mp3 CD's, so skipping to it is a breeze. Even if I'm at track 8 and the song I want is track 87, it's still easier to skip to it then to have to switch CDs.

CRTGAMER wrote:However MP3s will never skip because of road condition bumps. My older CD player can read MP3 coded discs. Sometimes the regular pressed music discs would skip, the MP3 CDRs never a burp. Maybe all the entire MP3 track is loaded into memory first?


My deck, from 2005, never skips. When I first got the car I currently have, I had the stock deck in there for a year (I was too lazy to put my deck in from my old car) and it skipped all the time. My Sony deck never skips though. Pressed CD, regular or mp3 CD-Rs.

GSZX1337 wrote:I have AUX-in with my stereo, but I still use CD-Rs. It's much more convenient and safer (I'm don't have to look down to switch tracks) for me.


When I first got my mp3 player I was using it with the AUX in on my deck for a while. It got to be annoying though. Having to look for it to switch tracks and whatnot is annoying, but more annoying in my opinion is having to set it up every time I get in the car. And then of course having to turn it off when I leave. Much easier to just use the CD player built into my dashboard.

I have two main mp3 CDR's that I currently keep in my car. One has a little over 100 tracks and the other has well over 100 tracks. I don't do a lot of driving, so by the time one gets to the end I haven't listened to the other one for a while.

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:27 pm
by Hobie-wan
Ziggy587 wrote:
CRTGAMER wrote:However MP3s will never skip because of road condition bumps. My older CD player can read MP3 coded discs. Sometimes the regular pressed music discs would skip, the MP3 CDRs never a burp. Maybe all the entire MP3 track is loaded into memory first?


My deck, from 2005, never skips. When I first got the car I currently have, I had the stock deck in there for a year (I was too lazy to put my deck in from my old car) and it skipped all the time. My Sony deck never skips though. Pressed CD, regular or mp3 CD-Rs.


The first CD players ran at the original speed (1X) and were more or less like record players that just didn't touch the disc. If they were jostled or there was a bad scratch or lump of dirt, they'd skip exactly like a record player. Later 'anti-skip' players read at 2X or faster and had a buffer. Many of these at first would specifically say they had '10 second anti-skip' or whatever. Since the player could red the data faster than it was needed it could jump back and reread while it played from the buffer so you didn't notice there was a problem. If you smacked these players around enough so that the buffer emptied, you'd eventually get an interruption.

MP3s are obviously a lot less data than a real CD so between the faster read, buffer, and less data to worry about, they'll handle rough road conditions better.

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:02 pm
by CRTGAMER
Hobie-wan wrote:
Ziggy587 wrote:
CRTGAMER wrote:However MP3s will never skip because of road condition bumps. My older CD player can read MP3 coded discs. Sometimes the regular pressed music discs would skip, the MP3 CDRs never a burp. Maybe all the entire MP3 track is loaded into memory first?
My deck, from 2005, never skips. When I first got the car I currently have, I had the stock deck in there for a year (I was too lazy to put my deck in from my old car) and it skipped all the time. My Sony deck never skips though. Pressed CD, regular or mp3 CD-Rs.
The first CD players ran at the original speed (1X) and were more or less like record players that just didn't touch the disc. If they were jostled or there was a bad scratch or lump of dirt, they'd skip exactly like a record player. Later 'anti-skip' players read at 2X or faster and had a buffer. Many of these at first would specifically say they had '10 second anti-skip' or whatever. Since the player could red the data faster than it was needed it could jump back and reread while it played from the buffer so you didn't notice there was a problem. If you smacked these players around enough so that the buffer emptied, you'd eventually get an interruption.

MP3s are obviously a lot less data than a real CD so between the faster read, buffer, and less data to worry about, they'll handle rough road conditions better.

THIS. The buffer makes sense, the smaller MP3 files all load into the memory. Road conditions and steel motor mounts on my 62 just aggravate the player. No, I do not jump railroad tracks, the car just has the shakes from nitrous motor. :lol:

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:11 pm
by Hobie-wan
CRTGAMER wrote:THIS. The buffer makes sense, the smaller MP3 files all load into the memory. Road conditions and steel motor mounts on my 62 just aggravate the player. No, I do not jump railroad tracks, the car just has the shakes from nitrous motor. :lol:


Yeah, the stiff motor mounts in my previous car made it louder and vibrate more. It wasn't V8 with a lumpy cam rumbly or anything, but it would make a less than perfect used CDs skip on bad roads occasionally.

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:52 pm
by Redifer
Ziggy587 wrote:I'm an avid fan of CD's over digital music..


Today I learned that CDs aren't digital.

Just kidding, I know what you mean. I just find it amusing to hear "digital" referred to as a media format unto itself. Kind of like when Blu-rays come with a "digital copy". You mean the Blu-ray copy I have isn't digital? I hate marketing.

Re: Death of the CD-R

Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:31 pm
by Hobie-wan
Redifer wrote:Just kidding, I know what you mean. I just find it amusing to hear "digital" referred to as a media format unto itself. Kind of like when Blu-rays come with a "digital copy". You mean the Blu-ray copy I have isn't digital? I hate marketing.


Like "digitally mastered" was all over CD/DVD packaging for a while. Really? You mean they digitally mastered it in preparation for a digital storage medium? Holy craps!