Being an X-Fan, I can see why you wouldn't like House of M. Can't argue with the fact that it really did mess with the mutants. But that was the aftermath. The story itself, I thought, was great. And it didn't bother me as much because I hadn't been a regular follower of X-Men since the 80s to mid-90s.Mendoza wrote:My problem with house of m was it put the entire x-line in a horrible place for years. The depowering sounded like a good idea, but it ended up being a disaster. I also don't get how it was basically handled by Bendis and then he went back to writing the avengers and left the rest of the x-staff in the lurch to clean up the mess. Undoing M day has basically been what ever X-Men event has been building to, and even the pay off for that is pretty weak. AVX just made the avengers and x-men both look bad. No one seemed to act rationally at all for the sake of the plot. And to top things off Wanda ruins millions of lives, gets lots of people killed, and by the end of AVX she gets a pass. Shes redeemed. Why? She hasn't begun to atone for what she did, even if she was crazy when she did it.BurningDoom wrote:You didn't like House of M or Civil War? Wow. Those are two rare examples of Marvel crossover events actually delivering and being entertaining, IMO. Great alternate-reality tale in House of M that was a very cool alternate-universe to explore with eye-popping artwork. And an action-packed and dramatic storyline with Civil War that really had no clear-cut "good guys" side and made you think as a fan; plus that's one helluva shocker at the end of it all.
Civil War was the last marvel event that i got. What shocker at the end? Cap's death is the only real shocking event to come out of it, and that happened after the event was over. I hated the ending, and pretty much everything up to that point. The pro-reg side was almost completely unsympathetic after the first few issues. Mr. Fantastic betrays his friends and family because of a math equation? Captain America even has his moment of seeming like a complete ass when he beats the crap out of the Punisher, and the Punisher wont even fight back. The heroes fighting really didn't solve anything. Marvel never made any attempt to show how this registration was any different from the Mutant Registration idea they had had years ago. None of the heroes seemed to care that the whole incident was a set-up by that insurance company Damage Control. Your right though, there were no good guys, cause everyone looked like a jerk, just some more than others.
Ultimately, what comes out of Civil War? The registration act gets repelled. The public that was so outraged at superheroes goes right back to not caring in the slightest. I still don't buy the people stopping Captain America at the end of Civil War. Tony Stark does such a bad job running shield they let Osbourne run it, which again brings the sanity of the common marvel universe people into question. That led to Siege which is forgettable at best, and then ultimately AVX.
If you like those stories thats cool, I'm not saying its wrong to like them, but they did nothing for me. But I haven't liked a major crossover event that Marvel has had in a while. I guess Messiah War was decent, but I think i just liked the Cable/Hope dynamic alot, and future Deadpool was funny.
But I really, REALLY have to disagree with Civil War not doing anything. Captain America died, which, yeah that was the shocking event at the end I was referring to, and Winter Soldier (Bucky) took over the mantle with a surprisingly good run at it. The entire power-structure of the Marvel Universe shifted with Tony Stark in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. which caused many heroes to go rogue (including popular ones like New Avengers and Spider-Man), and just as many to side with Tony. And the Registration Act changed the way super-heroes & vigilantes operated in the Marvel Universe. Yeah, it was repealed as you pointed out, but that was over 3 years later in Siege.
You also kind of had two points contradicting each other there. You say the people went back to not caring about super-heroes, but then go on to say they placed Norman Osborn in office. Seems like they were caring to me, then. And it wasn't that Tony was doing such bad job that placed Norman there (although I was on Cap's side), it was that those sneaky mofos the Skrulls made everyone distrust everyone because nobody knew who was a Skrull and who wasn't.
