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AmishSamurai wrote:What exactly makes it look like shit to you? The art style? The stigma of the 4kids dub? The lighthearted tone? How I sell it to you depends on your specific reservations.
Get your derp the fuck out of here. It just looks silly to me and that's all there is to it. No, not the art, the 4kidz, the tone, or anything but it generally looking like it geared towards nothing but shounen-douches with shit taste. Which I am not. Being that Xeogred is my dawg, I know he doesn't have shit taste, so I must be missing something.

Alas Xeogred, your argument isn't very valid, YET. Devil fruit, best show ever... go on...
I think ONE PIECE is this generations DBZ. I subscribed to shounen jump(since the beginning) all the way till their dumb decision to go digital.

I was a loyal reader and never got ahead of the print run. I avoided this and other VIZ titles, I didnt want to get ahead. But Why am I gonna pay for a digital subsription when its already free online (thru less than legal means tho).

One piece is an okay manga. but I have yet to see the show. I laughed at their sheety american dub. Yet I dont have enough money to plunker down and buy the DVDs. And I'm too lazy to watch the shows online.

What I have read is some good quality shounen manga. Not life changing but still funny and adventurous. One piece is good reading.

BUT ITS TOOO LONG!

Also, it doesnt die because its fanbase is (I think) the older japanese crowd. Not just the kids but the 30+ salaryworker. They have more money and buy the merchandise and that leads to more revenue and more episodes.

its a cash cow that still has yet to run out of milk.
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brunoafh wrote:
AmishSamurai wrote:What exactly makes it look like shit to you? The art style? The stigma of the 4kids dub? The lighthearted tone? How I sell it to you depends on your specific reservations.
Get your derp the fuck out of here. It just looks silly to me and that's all there is to it. No, not the art, the 4kidz, the tone, or anything but it generally looking like it geared towards nothing but shounen-douches with shit taste. Which I am not. Being that Xeogred is my dawg, I know he doesn't have shit taste, so I must be missing something.

Alas Xeogred, your argument isn't very valid, YET. Devil fruit, best show ever... go on...
Too whacked up to really say much right now, but one interesting point is that the largest demograph for it in Japan is young adults, our age, etc. I think one big reason was because the series has such a strong emphasis on friendship and trust. Oda doesn't leave characters behind like Toriyama did in DBZ either. The overall story is much better. It's just a big journey and for awhile I made some comparisons to Suikoden for a large chunk of the series, since Luffy is going around recruiting key members for his crew, that element was pretty cool to me. It's pretty hilarious how anti-government it gets at times too, flag burning and all even, I could see it being banned in some countries. People exploding aside, it's got like HnK levels of blood off and on too. Unlike other shounens nowadays, One Piece is so damn popular and safe for sponsors that it's just loaded with blood when shit gets real, pretty funny. It's like one of the closest things to a good animated JRPG out there. The composer is the guy that did GaoGaiGar, G Gundam, Gunbuster, etc.

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In the future, after you've caught up with it and the series made you cry one or two times, you'll thank me. I don't know if I've ever said this to you, but personally it completely destroys HxH to me. DB/Z and One Piece are my favorite shounens and nothing even comes close to comparison in the genre to me, even if I love a handful of others, but they are just mountains above the rest.
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brunoafh wrote:
AmishSamurai wrote:What exactly makes it look like shit to you? The art style? The stigma of the 4kids dub? The lighthearted tone? How I sell it to you depends on your specific reservations.
Get your derp the fuck out of here. It just looks silly to me and that's all there is to it. No, not the art, the 4kidz, the tone, or anything but it generally looking like it geared towards nothing but shounen-douches with shit taste. Which I am not. Being that Xeogred is my dawg, I know he doesn't have shit taste, so I must be missing something.

Alas Xeogred, your argument isn't very valid, YET. Devil fruit, best show ever... go on...
Jesus Christ. What the fuck did I do to you?
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brunoafh wrote:Devil fruit, best show ever... go on...
I myself am not a qualified Xeogred, but I can definitely put up a recommendation for One Piece.

The most general way to describe One Piece is as an enormous, grand adventure. The story follows the cast of heroes as they sail across the world to find the "One Piece", left behind by Gold Roger king of the pirates (who is said to have attained all this world has to offer). Along the way, they explore a vast world full of different places, people, cultures, and history.

The first thing to note about One Piece is that, while most long-running Shonen Jump shows get worse and worse with age, One Piece continually manages to get better and better. The world that Eiichiro Oda creates is amazingly deep and detailed. Additionally, everything feels thoroughly planned out and structured. You'll see the characters mention or see something in one episode, and then literally hundreds of episodes later you'll realize that it foreshadowed something important in the series. It's so precise and yet out there I literally can't tell if Oda had it all planned from the very beginning. For example:
In episode 30 or so Luffy mentions getting a musician on his crew. He mentions this periodically a few more times over the series. Sure enough, around episode 330 or so, Brook shows up. That's just ridiculous.

Also, mantra foreshadowing haki
The depth of the world is genuinely impressive. To take one example: the way the World Government and Navy work. The Navy stands for absolute justice and protection of the weak, making them in at least some sense a figure of good. Often times they fight against malicious groups of pirates. However, they have a policy of "absolute justice" that can blind them and cause them to tip the scale and fall into wickedness themselves, which is a very realistic and human thing even seen in our own world. Some of the characters in the Navy simply assign "justice" to their action to make them seem righteous in their own minds, and believing the evils that they do as necessary actions for good (see: CP9 arc). The Government isn't transparent with its citizens, and takes part in morally gray actions. The various philosophies within the Navy also have different outlooks and opinions on what it really means. The character Don Quixote Doflamingo (who's one of the Navy sponsored warlords of the sea) has one of my absolute favorite qoutes about this in a battle later in the series:
Don Quixote Doflamingo wrote:Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!
And all of this is only about 1 single entity in the One Piece universe.

Besides all of that, this show just has everything going for it. The cast is thoroughly likable and sympathetic, the way that the characters' unique powers and abilities work is fascinating and very refreshing from Shonen jump norms; and the outside world and its cultures, societies, principles, and beliefs are all extremely immersive. The show has humor, drama, action, everything. It's amazed me what otherwise ridiculous images and situations that show has been able to make me take seriously.

I won't say that it's for everyone, but to me it's no mystery why this series has gotten so much attention and adoration.
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For Dylan.

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Summed it up pretty well. Oda is a genius, the characters are amazing, and overall despite being a shounen jump series, the storytelling is leaps and bounds above tons of other anime out there.
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Okay, I will have to admit that's pretty much the most convincing case I've ever read about One Piece. The stuff about it not getting worse and worse like every shounen series on the planet, and how it actually seems planned out, stuck out to me in particular. The fact that it's like 500 episodes and growing just makes me think it's downright impossible that it's anything more than your typical Bleach or Naruto by now, but who knows, I've been wrong before. If someone were to pull off a mega shounen that's as sophisticated as Dylan made it sound, that would be pretty dang impressive.

On the flipside though, I've read several arguments about it making me think I'd just absolutely hate it. I'll also add that I've seen the first couple of episodes (not the dub) and it did nothing for me. I know everyone has their own taste, but the ridiculously overwhelming popularity the series has attained just seems absurd to me. I've seen several people call it "the greatest story of all time".
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That was needlessly harsh, I apologize. Looking back I think I completely misinterpreted your post.
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brunoafh wrote: That was needlessly harsh, I apologize. Looking back I think I completely misinterpreted your post.
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brunoafh wrote: On the flipside though, I've read several arguments about it making me think I'd just absolutely hate it. I'll also add that I've seen the first couple of episodes (not the dub) and it did nothing for me. I know everyone has their own taste, but the ridiculously overwhelming popularity the series has attained just seems absurd to me. I've seen several people call it "the greatest story of all time".
One of the biggest problems with One Piece IMO is that it really takes time for it to build. The first time I started watching it, I dropped it because it seemed pointless. Story arcs only felt slightly related, and the story as a whole didn't feel that deep. The fighting gradually got better after episode 10 or so, but compared to other shows at the time (Naruto) it didn't stand out all that much.

I picked it up again, just taking it a little bit at a time and gradually enjoying it a bit more each episode. There were some good action moments and some good story moments scattered along the way. It wasn't anything really special, but I liked it enough to keep coming back for more. Our relationship was pretty casual until about episode 100 or so (the Alabasta arc), and then the show started to really suck me in. The Skypiea arc (150-200ish) convinced me that as an action show One Piece stood out. The Enies lobby arc (260-310ish) made One Piece one of my all time favorite anime shows.

I really don't want to say "you can't judge it before you give it 100 episodes and then it gets good", because in all honesty a show should not expect something like that from its audience (again, this is probably One Piece's biggest fault in my opinion). If you really want to give the show a chance, don't feel pressured to rush into it. Just take it a bit at a time, and rather than asking yourself if it holds up to the standards you've heard from everyone else or not, just see if it keeps you interested enough to watch more episodes. I won't tell you that you have to stick with it for 100 episodes, but I would suggest at least giving it until the kuro arc (9-18) to see it pick up in action a bit, and the Arlong arc (31-45) to see some of the better sympathetic moments with characters. These won't make you think One Piece is the best show ever, but they made it likable enough for me personally to decide to keep up with it. You would get moments were the show did shine before it started to really hit its stride. The show does not demonstrate its potential right of the bat. One Piece is a real long term relationship, the more you put into the more you will get out of it. Whether or not it's worth the cost of entry is up to you.
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I on the other hand loved it from the first episode. Maybe because everyone kept telling me it was like the best DBZ fanfiction ever. Not sure if I can totally see that now, but Toriyama's influences on Oda is definitely there.

bruno, don't even speak of Naruto or Bleach in the same sentence with One Piece! Also it's worth noting, one big thing I love about One Piece is there's no training bullshit. Never. This is an issue with some people that need an explanation how characters pull more moves out of their ass or something... but it's simple, they beat X dude, they're going to get stronger. Again, it's an animated JRPG. Throw logic out the window and just have fun, because that's what One Piece is, FUN - THE ADVENTURE!

Things got real though during the Arlong arc for me however in the 50's and for a lot of fans.
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Well, I just watched FLCL.

What happened.
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