dsheinem wrote:And the analogies to RPGs or Platformers doesn't make any sense, sorry. Those games give you an ending for completing the story: the game has a built-in finish and the extra stuff is extra. In a shmup, the built in finish is usually either a Continue/End Game screen (you didn't beat it) or some kind of Victory/End Game screen (you beat it in some fashion).
I use continues in other genres. I don't see why using ANY continues is so frowned upon in the shmup genre. If I use a continue in Streets of Rage or Sonic the Hedgehog (which admittedly I don't any more, but my point stands), i'd still mark it as beaten. The ending in Sonic 1 certainly isn't anything more than in most Cave shmups.
In addition, other shmups I've played with limited continues, I'd be happy to use them. I beat Lords of Thunder, Parodius, Nemesis and other using continues. I don't see why Cave games should be different.
The whole 1CC thing is something I just don't like about shmup communities. I'm not playing for high scores or for a perfect run, I'm playing to have fun going through the game and to experience it.
Now I've beaten it by credit feeding, I'm happy to go back and challenge myself or limit myself in some way. It doesn't change the fact in my head that it is finished.
The fact is that these games were built with a way to endlessly continue, even in their original arcade incarnation. If I choose to do that, then thats what I'll do. If it had limited them in any way (even if infinite continues was another option) I wouldn't. The fact remains that 1cc is a self imposed challenge, and not something the game required me to do to beat it.
Ack wrote:A better analogy would have been fighting games, beat 'em ups, or best of all, run and guns. How many of you have beaten Metal Slug? I mean really beaten it?
My argument being that the game allows me to play through with infinite lives, I have
really beaten it. Beating a game on one life isn't a requirement for beating a game unless the game limits you to that one life imo.
This isn't akin to using a cheat code - it's an option the game offers. If I choose to use it, I'm still playign within the boundaries the game has set.
But seriously now, this argument has come up so many times, and my original comment was meant to be to stop it happening again. It obviously hasnt worked. It's staying on my list because its my list, you can disagree if you like because thats fair enough, you guys see it a different way.
It doesn't change the fact you all smell though.