ThanksMozgus wrote:Throwin' a Phoenix Down on this one, to share this recent write-up on Ubuntu:
http://consumer.hardocp.com/article.htm ... 9uc3VtZXI=
It really summed up my previous thoughts well. Sad to see that Flash support is still crap in 64-bit. I'm looking forward to v7 hitting in April, unless that turns out to just be a better. If not, I'm ganna give it a major chance, and dualboot with XP just for the sake of gaming.
Any Linux users?
Well I've been without a PC for over 24 hours. Thank you Ubuntu Linux 6.10.
I've got two SATAs and an IDE drive
I install windows on one sata
I install linux on the other
My windows wont boot up anymore
Linux wont boot up. mounting error
I reinstall windows. It won't boot. Grub Error 17 or something.
I format both drives, combine for raid-0, try linux again. Won't boot.
I repeat above, and try installing windows. Won't boot.
I eventually figure out that linux placed boot files on my IDE drive, which I NEVER told it to. This was screwing up all OS booting.
I format my IDE. I try installing Windows on a sata. Won't boot. I try windows on the same sata. Won't boot.
I lost a lot of downloaded series and games all for nothing. I kill myself.
I am reborn. I rip out my IDE, plop it in a usb shell, install windows to it. Enable my satas again and format them.
Put the IDE back in. Boot up XP disc again, format all three systems fully, simultaniously.
I'm back on XP with my sata raid-o. Ubuntu can go fuck itself and I wish cancer on all who are related to the project.
I've got two SATAs and an IDE drive
I install windows on one sata
I install linux on the other
My windows wont boot up anymore
Linux wont boot up. mounting error
I reinstall windows. It won't boot. Grub Error 17 or something.
I format both drives, combine for raid-0, try linux again. Won't boot.
I repeat above, and try installing windows. Won't boot.
I eventually figure out that linux placed boot files on my IDE drive, which I NEVER told it to. This was screwing up all OS booting.
I format my IDE. I try installing Windows on a sata. Won't boot. I try windows on the same sata. Won't boot.
I lost a lot of downloaded series and games all for nothing. I kill myself.
I am reborn. I rip out my IDE, plop it in a usb shell, install windows to it. Enable my satas again and format them.
Put the IDE back in. Boot up XP disc again, format all three systems fully, simultaniously.
I'm back on XP with my sata raid-o. Ubuntu can go fuck itself and I wish cancer on all who are related to the project.
I've had experience with this and it would have been better if u removed grub from the linux drive since that probably where it wasMozgus wrote:Well I've been without a PC for over 24 hours. Thank you Ubuntu Linux 6.10.
I've got two SATAs and an IDE drive
I install windows on one sata
I install linux on the other
My windows wont boot up anymore
Linux wont boot up. mounting error
I reinstall windows. It won't boot. Grub Error 17 or something.
I format both drives, combine for raid-0, try linux again. Won't boot.
I repeat above, and try installing windows. Won't boot.
I eventually figure out that linux placed boot files on my IDE drive, which I NEVER told it to. This was screwing up all OS booting.
I format my IDE. I try installing Windows on a sata. Won't boot. I try windows on the same sata. Won't boot.
I lost a lot of downloaded series and games all for nothing. I kill myself.
I am reborn. I rip out my IDE, plop it in a usb shell, install windows to it. Enable my satas again and format them.
Put the IDE back in. Boot up XP disc again, format all three systems fully, simultaniously.
I'm back on XP with my sata raid-o. Ubuntu can go fuck itself and I wish cancer on all who are related to the project.
or if window's didn't boot because of an error you could have tried to reconfigure grub to add windows XP boot.
The paremeter's for a sata drive are different to the one it configures automatically
I have no idea what you just said. If Ubuntu cant automatically work with SATA drives, then it should give a warning.msimplay wrote: I've had experience with this and it would have been better if u removed grub from the linux drive since that probably where it was
or if window's didn't boot because of an error you could have tried to reconfigure grub to add windows XP boot.
The paremeter's for a sata drive are different to the one it configures automatically
lol I was refering to the grub error you had.Mozgus wrote:I have no idea what you just said. If Ubuntu cant automatically work with SATA drives, then it should give a warning.msimplay wrote: I've had experience with this and it would have been better if u removed grub from the linux drive since that probably where it was
or if window's didn't boot because of an error you could have tried to reconfigure grub to add windows XP boot.
The paremeter's for a sata drive are different to the one it configures automatically
Grub is the boot manager but u know what though I have to say Linux isn't ready for the desktop just yet I use it as a web server but for those that don't need it for a specific reason I have to say that Linux isn't worth the trouble. The average user will probably remain happier with Window's
Awesome, another thread for me.
Ubuntu is as simple as it gets, but can be extremely frustrating if you want more granular control over your system.
I used to use Gentoo exclusively, due to its incredible levels of customization -- but, as many will point out, its a distro that requires a foundation of knowledge to use. And, of course, compiling everything from source can be annoying.
I've recently switched to Arch Linux, which is more like FreeBSD than other distros, but with pre-compiled packages. I will say this -- I've been using Linux as my primary work OS since '94. Arch Linux is the first time I've enjoyed, really enjoyed, using a computer and operating system since those halcyon days.
Cheers,
Jon
Ubuntu is as simple as it gets, but can be extremely frustrating if you want more granular control over your system.
I used to use Gentoo exclusively, due to its incredible levels of customization -- but, as many will point out, its a distro that requires a foundation of knowledge to use. And, of course, compiling everything from source can be annoying.
I've recently switched to Arch Linux, which is more like FreeBSD than other distros, but with pre-compiled packages. I will say this -- I've been using Linux as my primary work OS since '94. Arch Linux is the first time I've enjoyed, really enjoyed, using a computer and operating system since those halcyon days.
Cheers,
Jon
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Dove back into the scene in the past week. I've now officially broken more linux installs in a week than windows installs in my entire life. Yay. Anyways, tried out Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu. Also finally tried PuppyLinux and DSL. DSL didn't work, and Puppy has no networking on either of my systems.
Fastest way to break Ubuntu? Go to Add/Remove, and pick the nvidia drivers and follow the instructions. Ubuntu will never work again, and you wont find a solution on the forums. This stuff is way too fragile for serious use.
Anyways, ganna try this just for kicks:
http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/
Maybe it comes with literally everything I need, so I don't get to break the system installing anything else. Now if I could finally figure out how to install to a sata raid-0.
Fastest way to break Ubuntu? Go to Add/Remove, and pick the nvidia drivers and follow the instructions. Ubuntu will never work again, and you wont find a solution on the forums. This stuff is way too fragile for serious use.
Anyways, ganna try this just for kicks:
http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/
Maybe it comes with literally everything I need, so I don't get to break the system installing anything else. Now if I could finally figure out how to install to a sata raid-0.
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Raid is one of the most annoying things to set up.
Either you have to do it all in terminal... which really actually isn't that easy, but is the safest way to perform the job as you control it every step of the way. Downside is you need to know all the stupid info about the drives.
i.e. how many cylinders and other nonsense about the drive. Then you also need to manually set all sector sizes and stripe sizing (if striping).
There are GUI tools for doing it, but they vary from distro to distro and sometimes don't actually do what they say they are doing (thinks about fedora's CRAPPY RAID tool).
Thankfully if setting up the RAID at install it is all pretty easy, comparable to ease of Windows RAID set ups. Outside of that it gets kinda annoying.
THEN to top it all off, monitoring your RAID is just a nuscense for those who don't get it.
I stand by my original comments. If your not staying either totally generic (i.e. web surfing and email) or your not going super technical with a lot of know how, Linux isn't for you.
Either you have to do it all in terminal... which really actually isn't that easy, but is the safest way to perform the job as you control it every step of the way. Downside is you need to know all the stupid info about the drives.
i.e. how many cylinders and other nonsense about the drive. Then you also need to manually set all sector sizes and stripe sizing (if striping).
There are GUI tools for doing it, but they vary from distro to distro and sometimes don't actually do what they say they are doing (thinks about fedora's CRAPPY RAID tool).
Thankfully if setting up the RAID at install it is all pretty easy, comparable to ease of Windows RAID set ups. Outside of that it gets kinda annoying.
THEN to top it all off, monitoring your RAID is just a nuscense for those who don't get it.
I stand by my original comments. If your not staying either totally generic (i.e. web surfing and email) or your not going super technical with a lot of know how, Linux isn't for you.
