Amendment One is Passed in North Carolina

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sabrage wrote:
BoringSupreez wrote: Second, in areas where gay marriage is legal, no one should be forced to wed gays if they feel it's wrong. If a pastor doesn't want to hold a gay wedding, there should be no legal repercussions. Just like an attorney doesn't have to take a case he doesn't like, no one should have to make the legal ties between two people.
Why? I deal with people I don't like at work all the time. I don't deny them their rights as a citizen.
My first point was that marriage is not a right, so refusing the marry someone is not denying their rights as a citizen. Besides, think of it like a business: if own a store and you don't like a certain guy, you can refuse to sell him merchandise. Why should it not be the same for people who are licensed to wed?
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BoringSupreez wrote:My first point was that marriage is not a right, so refusing the marry someone is not denying their rights as a citizen.
That's bullshit. I don't care if you think it's a right or not, preventing someone from accessing the same social benefits as everyone else on the basis of being gay is stupid and bigoted.
Besides, think of it like a business: if own a store and you don't like a certain guy, you can refuse to sell him merchandise. Why should it not be the same for people who are licensed to wed?
Think of it like a bussiness, if you refuse all black people you are a shithead. There's a difference between "not liking a certain guy" and "banning thousands of people because they like people of the same sex".
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BoringSupreez wrote:My first point was that marriage is not a right, so refusing the marry someone is not denying their rights as a citizen. Besides, think of it like a business: if own a store and you don't like a certain guy, you can refuse to sell him merchandise. Why should it not be the same for people who are licensed to wed?
Because Christians don't own the concept of marriage, and they're the ones electing these politicians.
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BoringSupreez wrote: I'm totally against homosexuality myself. I find it morally wrong and physically disgusting, but I don't think it's the government's job to be our moral guardians.
BoringSupreez wrote: Second, in areas where gay marriage is legal, no one should be forced to wed gays if they feel it's wrong. If a pastor doesn't want to hold a gay wedding, there should be no legal repercussions.
Wasnt there a pastor in Lousiana who not too long ago refused to marry an interracial couple because he felt the same way? Should the church also have the right to not serve couples like that, because some people feel that it's disgusting and immoral?

In what we call free nations, Western liberal democracies and constitutional republics, subjective concepts of morality should not have influence on political decision making, and it should be based on scientific&statistical evidence and certain governmental principles like constitutional rights and rule of law, whether it's gay marriage, gun laws, legality of drugs, possesion of child pornography or freedom of speech that we're discussing. If you cant prove that it will have a negative effective on society, then it should be legal. Nationalist and theocratic countries are different a story, but I doubt we want that?
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Jmustang1968 wrote:My typical political viewpoint is to not really care one way or another unless it directly affects me.
I don't understand this at all. Not everyone needs to be a political activist of course, but simply not giving a shit about your fellow human beings seems pretty lazy and short-sighted.
BoringSupreez wrote: I'm totally against homosexuality myself.
How is one "against homosexuality"? Obviously you're not gay yourself, but what about those folks who are? And why do you care about the sexual orientation of other people?
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I know of a pastor that refused to marry a heterosexual couple because one of them wasn't baptized. So I guess the church will do what it wants to do, regardless of whatever amendments they pass.

BoneSnapDeez,

I was kind of curious about that myself. When I was younger, I felt the same way as Boring. Then I realized I couldn't really come up with a reason why it was wrong. I mean, should homosexuals just force themselves to have sex with the opposite sex, or are they supposed to just abstain from any sexual contact at alll?
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StuntDouble wrote:I know of a pastor that refused to marry a heterosexual couple because one of them wasn't baptized. So I guess the church will do what it wants to do, regardless of whatever amendments they pass.

BoneSnapDeez,

I was kind of curious about that myself. When I was younger, I felt the same way as Boring. Then I realized I couldn't really come up with a reason why it was wrong. I mean, should homosexuals just force themselves to have sex with the opposite sex, or are they supposed to just abstain from any sexual contact at alll?
This pretty much. I realized when I was 16 I couldn't think of a reason that I disliked gays except "dudes making out is icky", and got over it.
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AmishSamurai wrote:This pretty much. I realized when I was 16 I couldn't think of a reason that I disliked gays except "dudes making out is icky", and got over it.
Unlike straight couples who make out in public.
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BoringSupreez wrote: I'm totally against homosexuality myself. I find it morally wrong and physically disgusting...
Sounds like somebody's in the closet.
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Luke wrote:
Sounds like somebody's in the closet.
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