Egg yolks - Medical pop Science or Historical Fact ?

[Luke]

Um. This thread is about egg yolks and a half baked idea about egg yolks in a pack that people would want to spread on...Wait. Why the fuck would someone want to squirt yolks out of a tube/packet when they could get them fresh and at a lower price?

Anyway, let's quit with the name calling and "closed-minded" comments. If someone takes the time to even read an argumentative post, obviously they are at least taking the time to take what you said into consideration.

[YoshiEgg25]

[Luke]

Edit me in the middle as Mario "Punch-Out" ref style.

Seriously. Nothing more annoying than people arguing for the sake of it when the posts aren't even funny. Not one single good insult either, you bunch of index finger smelling ass hat wearing slapnuts.

[MrPopo]

And that's exactly why it's no use having a discussion with you. You don't even consider being wrong.

That's why I kept asking for data to show me wrong. Because I can't consider being wrong.

Here, some reading matter on those good healthy kibbles...

http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html

http://rawfed.com/myths/kibble.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=7

<gasp> Data! Now I can follow your links and check the sources to make sure that they aren't just hoping people won't read their cited sources. And then I might be wrong. But I'm a close-minded brick wall.

[flamepanther]

You guys are both wrong on the pet kibble thing. One the one hand, most pet kibble is total crap. Ingredients like corn and rice are just filler that the animal isn't going to digest.

On the other hand, elmagicochrisg, most of your links you reference eventually source back to the same "rawfed" site, which also condemns vaccinations and insists that pets should be treated primarily with homeopathic medicine instead of conventional veterinary medicine--they make some good basic points here and there, but their conclusions are often ill-advised.

The Wikipedia article on the subject is much more balanced, objective and detailed. Yes, I know Wikipedia isn't considered 100% reliable, but it's more reliable than a network of fringe-group special interest community websites, and it attempts to illustrate both the pros and cons of "raw feeding."

To sum up the findings of what little actual research has been done: you might end up with an animal with healthier stools and cleaner teeth--but also that seemingly healthier animal is more likely to die suddenly or make you ill yourself. Will it always happen? No. Can it? Definitely.

A close friend of mine who is a veterinarian concedes that a natural diet of prey is probably the most nutritionally balanced, but says there are too many well-known risks for her to feed her own pets that way. Her compromise is to read pet food ingredients carefully and only buy kibble that has some kind of meat as the primary ingredient, with occasional supplements of canned food. I've taken this approach with my own cat, and she has been in perfect health for six years already. She's trim, active, happy, has a healthy coat, and absolutely no plaque or tooth decay. Moreover, I don't have to worry about bone fragments, accidental taurine deficiencies, or parasites. Best of both worlds.


TLDR Lesson: There are more positions than just "All-Natural Everything" and "over-processed health-destroying garbage." Not everything natural is always good, and not everything modern is always bad. The all-or-nothing approach is foolishness.

..as is holding one extreme view and lambasting someone for possibly holding the other and then calling them "closed-minded." Just sayin', guys.

[MrPopo]

You guys are both wrong on the pet kibble thing. One the one hand, most pet kibble is total crap. Ingredients like corn and rice are just filler that the animal isn't going to digest.

Agreed on the filler point. But the filler mostly means that the cat passes stool more often.

On the other hand, elmagicochrisg, most of your links you reference eventually source back to the same "rawfed" site, which also condemns vaccinations and insists that pets should be treated primarily with homeopathic medicine instead of conventional veterinary medicine--they make some good basic points here and there, but their conclusions are often ill-advised.

I went through the page at http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html and cited all the problems I saw with using it as a source for making pet health decisions. If you're interested I can post them all up here.

To sum up the findings of what little actual research has been done: you might end up with an animal with healthier stools and cleaner teeth--but also that seemingly healthier animal is more likely to die suddenly or make you ill yourself. Will it always happen? No. Can it? Definitely.

A close friend of mine who is a veterinarian concedes that a natural diet of prey is probably the most nutritionally balanced, but says there are too many well-known risks for her to feed her own pets that way. Her compromise is to read pet food ingredients carefully and only buy kibble that has some kind of meat as the primary ingredient, with occasional supplements of canned food. I've taken this approach with my own cat, and she has been in perfect health for six years already. She's trim, active, happy, has a healthy coat, and absolutely no plaque or tooth decay. Moreover, I don't have to worry about bone fragments, accidental taurine deficiencies, or parasites. Best of both worlds.

That's my understanding of kibble vs. raw meat. You get more consistency in pet health which leads to an easier ability to treat health problems that come up.

[elmagicochrisg]

It's on like Donkey Kong !!!

I wouldn't actually put Ziggy587 in the ally camp. He is more diplomatic than me though, yes...

Anyways, I'm bigger than all of them combined... -_-

That's why I kept asking for data to show me wrong. Because I can't consider being wrong.

It's impossible to give you all that data. It would take me hours to find all the links that made me get to the point I am now. And it would take a lot longer to read all those links to get to said point. You're a big boy. I don't need to hold your hand. You know how this thing works. But let's be honest, providing data goes both ways...

A close friend of mine who is a veterinarian concedes that a natural diet of prey is probably the most nutritionally balanced, but says there are too many well-known risks for her to feed her own pets that way. Her compromise is to read pet food ingredients carefully and only buy kibble that has some kind of meat as the primary ingredient, with occasional supplements of canned food. I've taken this approach with my own cat, and she has been in perfect health for six years already. She's trim, active, happy, has a healthy coat, and absolutely no plaque or tooth decay. Moreover, I don't have to worry about bone fragments, accidental taurine deficiencies, or parasites. Best of both worlds.

You don't have to worry about bone fragments when feeding them raw meat. I feed mine chicken wings, chicken legs, rabbit and quails amongst other things. They eat them whole, bones and all. It always surprises me how strong their teeth are when I hear them crunching the bones. They never have troubles with the bones. On top of that, when I do give them bones they shit little white bricks, which is a good thing. It cleans the anal glands... Just don't cook the bones. Those are harder to digest, can shatter easily, and cause damage. Raw bones only. Never forget that when you give your cat something with bones!...

I'm off, there's a banana with my name on it waiting for me...

[flamepanther]

You don't have to worry about bone fragments when feeding them raw meat. I feed mine chicken wings, chicken legs, rabbit and quails amongst other things. They eat them whole, bones and all. It always surprises me how strong their teeth are when I hear them crunching the bones. They never have troubles with the bones. On top of that, when I do give them bones they shit little white bricks, which is a good thing. It cleans the anal glands... Just don't cook the bones. Those are harder to digest, can shatter easily, and cause damage. Raw bones only. Never forget that when you give your cat something with bones!...

Raw bones can and do sometimes splinter and cause esophageal or intestinal punctures, if less often. It may never happen to your cats, or it may have already happened, they survived, and you never knew it. It's not a risk I care to take, and my cat isn't missing any of the benefits of raw feeding so why would I anyway?

[MrPopo]

That's why I kept asking for data to show me wrong. Because I can't consider being wrong.

It's impossible to give you all that data. It would take me hours to find all the links that made me get to the point I am now. And it would take a lot longer to read all those links to get to said point. You're a big boy. I don't need to hold your hand. You know how this thing works. But let's be honest, providing data goes both ways...

You're trying to convince me to your point of view. The burden of proof is on you.

You don't have to worry about bone fragments when feeding them raw meat. I feed mine chicken wings, chicken legs, rabbit and quails amongst other things. They eat them whole, bones and all. It always surprises me how strong their teeth are when I hear them crunching the bones.

Did you just claim that crunching bones doesn't cause bone fragments?

[elmagicochrisg]

Did you just claim that crunching bones doesn't cause bone fragments?

No, I didn't...