Gran Turismo 5.....was it worth the wait?

[EvilRyu2099]

Nope, the PS3 isn't as powerful as Sony hype it up to be. Just take a look at any number of the tech analysis articles on Digital Foundry. Devs really are squeezing as much out of the system as they can. It's main Achilles heal is the fixed 256MB Video Ram and the poor graphics card compared to the flexible RAM system (IE 512MB for the entire machine, can be assigned to CPU/GPU in whatever ratio the devs need) in the 360. The PS3 does certain things better but alpha transparencies are really poor on the PS3, hence the weather effects looking utterly crap in GT5. Seriously, it looks awful.

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I actually think the cards are identical.. PS3 mainly suffers in memory due to using two 256 MB sticks rather than the one 512 MB stick that 360 uses... Just curious do you own and play GT5? The shadows in a lot of games do have pixilation in the PS3 so I agree as opposed to Xbox 360.. I also agree that due to the cell processor, that programming for the system is harder than the 360 since it basically uses PC hardware... I can't say that most developers have actually pushed the limit with the ps3... God of War developer claims that GOW 3 only used 50% of the ps3's power..
http://ugdb.com/article/view/interview- ... r-iii-ps3/
I think Sony made of mistake of going with a unique processer, they should have gone with something more conventional... Also I think the consoles of next gen should make Ram upgradeable to that of gaming PCs... one of the main reasons FF XIV was delayed was due to the limited memory of the ps3..

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I actually think the cards are identical.. PS3 mainly suffers in memory due to using two 256 MB sticks rather than the one 512 MB stick that 360 uses... Just curious do you own and play GT5? The shadows in a lot of games do have pixilation in the PS3 so I agree as opposed to Xbox 360.. I also agree that due to the cell processor, that programming for the system is harder than the 360 since it basically uses PC hardware... I can't say that most developers have actually pushed the limit with the ps3... God of War developer claims that GOW 3 only used 50% of the ps3's power..
http://ugdb.com/article/view/interview- ... r-iii-ps3/
I think Sony made of mistake of going with a unique processer, they should have gone with something more conventional... Also I think the consoles of next gen should make Ram upgradeable to that of gaming PCs... one of the main reasons FF XIV was delayed was due to the limited memory of the ps3..

They are very similar but not identical

Xbox has a Custom ATI Graphics Processor (Xenos)
PS3 has an RSX based Nvidia Graphics Processor

50% of the PS3 power ? Developers are saying all sorts to make the PS3 seem more powerful than the 360 and most people do believe it is more powerful.
Btw it's all of the inhouse Sony developers that claim these things I'd just take them with a pinch of salt.
Power is Sony's main hook for why they charge more than the 360 so they have to say these things .

Gran Turismo is the latest and greatest game that took so long to release because they were trying to get the best out of the PS3 so lets compare Gran Turismo vs God of war 3 that 50% more doesn't look that much more to me.
If GT5 does indeed push the PS3 they have had enough time to get the best out of the console.

Reminds me in the old days when the Sega Saturn tried it's best to say it was more powerful because of it's 3 processors than the PS1.

[EvilRyu2099]

They are very similar but not identical

Xbox has a Custom ATI Graphics Processor (Xenos)
PS3 has an RSX based Nvidia Graphics Processor

50% of the PS3 power ? Developers are saying all sorts to make the PS3 seem more powerful than the 360 and most people do believe it is more powerful.
Btw it's all of the inhouse Sony developers that claim these things I'd just take them with a pinch of salt.
Power is Sony's main hook for why they charge more than the 360 so they have to say these things .

Gran Turismo is the latest and greatest game that took so long to release because they were trying to get the best out of the PS3 so lets compare Gran Turismo vs God of war 3 that 50% more doesn't look that much more to me.
If GT5 does indeed push the PS3 they have had enough time to get the best out of the console.

Reminds me in the old days when the Sega Saturn tried it's best to say it was more powerful because of it's 3 processors than the PS1.

NOt saying I believed it, but certain developers claim that.. I think with GT5 it was a memory and content issue.. Had they not put as many cars in the game, it probably would looks better.. I think 16 car races has a lot to do with the graphical limitations as well.. And I think the CPU and GPU being so unique and not conventioaln is another reason certain games are delayed for the system... I think if the PS3 vs 360 like the PS2 vs Dreamcast(without the graphical difference of each systems high level games)... The 360 has hardware that runs better for arcade code like CAVE Shmups and is easier to program... I think one of the mistakes of Sony was going with the Cell Processor... Finally, I kinda agree it is like Saturn vs Sony in that similar to Sega Saturn's Hitachi SH-2 chip was harder to program for similar to the Cell Processor, but I think the games are almost identical on 360 and PS3 as opposed to PS and Saturn having some 2D games running better on the Saturn, and having better 3D graphics on Sony...

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Saturn vs Sony in that similar to Sega Saturn's Hitachi SH-2 chip was harder to program for similar to the Cell Processor, but I think the games are almost identical on 360 and PS3 as opposed to PS and Saturn having some 2D games running better on the Saturn, and having better 3D graphics on Sony...

Agreed here but through clever programming I also remember the Sega Saturn having great looking 3D games and the PS1 having great 2D games.

Bottom line is even with the 360 and PS3 they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

[EvilRyu2099]

Agreed here but through clever programming I also remember the Sega Saturn having great looking 3D games and the PS1 having great 2D games.

Bottom line is even with the 360 and PS3 they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

True, Burning Rangers looked great... And likewise with games like Gaia Seed on the PS..

[emwearz]

GOW3 only used 50% of the PS3's power, how lazy can you get.

Any game that is delayed, will never live up to its hype, I cant wait to tear Duke a new asshole.

[YoshiEgg25]

Any game that is delayed, will never live up to its hype, I cant wait to tear Duke a new asshole.

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

/argument

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Any game that is delayed, will never live up to its hype, I cant wait to tear Duke a new asshole.

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

/argument

lmao I love that game am playing through it right now along with Super Mario Land 2

[EvilRyu2099]

Any game that is delayed, will never live up to its hype, I cant wait to tear Duke a new asshole.

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

/argument

Really can't compare Nintendo to M$ and $ony since it is dominating this generation... Although Other M might be up there with greatest disappointments this year along with GT5.. But then again, GT5 so far has a higher Metacritic score than Other M..

[hashiriya1]

I guess we can't have a chat about a game by itself without console biases and personal grudges against corporations getting in the way. So much for talking about cars, which is what I hoped a GT5 thread would be about. People chatting about the cars they've built and sharing specs and tuning ideas and such. What works best for which car at which tracks, etc. It's really too bad, because that is what the game is supposed to be about. Spending more time tweaking the cars then testing them than actually racing them. That's fun, in my book.

Instead this conversation has turned into the same old pissing contest that has been repeated over and over again on countless forums and gaming blogs. I guess I'll just stick to the NASIOC forums when I want to talk about the cars in the game and not the limitations of the system the game is played on. For me, GT is about cars and only cars and not about system specs and the way shadows are projected on the tarmac. I know we all have our different opinions on what makes a game great, but this game, we all know the main attraction are the cars, so let's just talk about cars...shall we? I would say the same about my other favorite racing game, Forza Motorsport 3.