Yeah, it was kinda neat switching off of Jill and Carlos in R3make. You explore some areas as Carlos, who cannot pick locks, and then can later go back and pick those locks with Jill.
And on that note, I kinda liked how R3make had one campaign that switched you between the two characters frequently. At first, I thought it was a tad annoying because they have different inventories. But I got use to it after a few switches. It's another thing that helps R3make feel more like an straight action game and less like a survival/horror.
I finished R3make today. SOILERS, if you haven't beat it, skip this paragraph. But that last boss fight was pretty neat. I was laughing out loud at the end when you take this stupidly huge gun and shove it up the Nemesis' mouth and blast it to hell. Then afterward when you take control again after the cutscene, you can see that it blasted a hole through several walls. I'd say it was a really fun end to a really fun game.
Not having the different character campaigns felt like it would hurt replay value, but I see they added a shop where you can buy items using a currency earned form completed in-game stuff. That definitely makes me want to play it again. But like RE2, instead of playing it again, I think I'll move onto RE4 remake first. I would definitely love to replay RE2 and 3 remakes again though.
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Some unorganized thoughts I have on RE4 remake so far...
With the RE2 and 3 remakes, for some reason I decided to pick them up on PS4. But after finding it not so easy to aim and get headshots, I'm wondering if I should have picked them up on PC instead. Just after I got used copies of both games, Steam had them on sale during October. I probably would have got them on PC if I had known they'd be on sale. Neither game was hard in a frustrating way using a controller to aim. But I feel like I wouldn't want to attempt a harder difficulty or challenges unless I was playing on PC.
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I rolled the credits on RE4remake. Overall, I would say I had a lot of fun with it. It's pretty neat to play RE4 with modern controls. Whether the remake or the original is better, I don't know. I think I still like the original better, but it was always gonna be hard for a newcomer to compete with it.
The castle segment design change was pretty cool. In the original, it was a very grey and bland looking place. The remake makes the castle look more varied. Either with the crap they put in the rooms, or some times fire glowing in a dark room adding some color.
The Ashley segment was scary all over again. The firs time I played the original RE4, that Ashley segment was pretty tense since all of a sudden you don't have a way to defend yourself. But it's really only scary on the first play through, and then that effect is lost. The remake, the made that segment scary all over again.
What I think they really need praise for is how they seemed to have made the game perfect for new players as well as RE4 veterans. It seems like the game would be fun if you never played RE4 before. But if you played the original, they tweaked so many things in such a way that it kept you on your toes.
Those regenerator dudes were scary all over again. In the original, they were so super creepy and scary because of how hard it is to kill them (at first). But then after you learn them, they aren't such a big deal. But in the remake, they can move really fast. If you try to run away from them to get a good distance to aim at their parasites, then can move pretty fast and close that distance. They also have this Stretch Armstrong grab that I don't remember the original ones having. And when they're prone on the floor, they have this super creepy slither crawl thing. I found them much harder to kill.
I didn't really like the added difficulty of the regenerators. But they did have two really good set pieces built around them that I think were great designs. That one room where they're in those glass tubes. You end up getting ambushed by regular enemies, but if you go balls to the walls trying to take them out, you might hit the glass tubes with bullets and free the regenerators. I accidentally freed two by mistake. So I ended up running away from them. But then I got a request from the merchant that meant I had to go back to that room, and those two regenerators that I freed were still there.
The other segment that I really liked was the room with the hanging body bags. You have to try and walk around the room and not bump into any of them. Which, I found out the hard way. Then you realize how you have to open the door to proceed, at which point you realize that room just became a zillion times harder. Until you realize that you can use the thermal scope to see which body bags you can bump into or not.
Speaking about redesigned areas... There were some new areas that I thought were really good designs, like the above mentioned as well as some others. But there were at least an equal amount of areas that I thought weren't as good a design as the original. And some omissions that I miss. I wasn't keeping a list, so I don't have any examples to cite. But I remember thinking this as I played through the game.
I thought the Krauser fights were a huge improvement. I'm really not a fan of QTE, and I really dislike watching a cutscene and then seeing a button prompt that I couldn't react to fast enough and then Leon getting killed. So I think the first Krauser fight is a huge improvement. It went from a cutscene with some QTEs to a proper boss fight. And I think they made the right decision. Keeping it a knife fight, and having to parry. I guess the second Krauser fight was more or less the same.
The Salazar boss fight was a neat change. Instead of fighting a huge blob that stays in one spot, this ridiculous monster thing chases you around and can insta-kill you. And speaking about boss fights, I ended up taking care of Saddler the way I always do. I played it once, got close to beating him but died. But instead of playing it a second time, now knowing a winning strategy, I purchased a rocket launcher.
Which was easier to do now that I have that charm that gets 20% of rocket launchers. And it was a nice surprise having Saddler go off the edge, and then fighting him in a second form on a lower level. Although the second form is cake, it was still a really neat addition.
One thing I really liked is that it fills in a lot of gaps in the story. Most of which are from reading various letters, emails, notes, etc. But there's some exposition in cutscenes as well. I have no idea if some of these things were mentioned in other RE games, or other RE lore somehow, but having some more back story was kinda cool. Like, it's a total mystery who Salazar is and why he is partnered with Saddler. In the remake, you get a least a glimpse into this. The remake also gives you more of a glimpse into the origin of the plaga parasite, the progression that happened there, and the plans for it. The original was like "All for Umbrella's sake. Opps, almost gave it away." It seemed like a throwaway line, shoehorned in there to fit it in to the franchise. But the remake makes Umbrella's involvement a lot more clear, and believable. And fleshes out Luis' story as well.
I played the first chapter of Separate Ways, and it definitely feels like an improvement already. As Leon, you can read some emails between Ada and Luis, as well as some other things, that gives you an idea of what was going on. But then instead of just starting Ada in the village while Leon is getting attacked, it starts you earlier in the castle where you help Luis escape. I think this is such a great change that is a huge improvement.
The castle segment design change was pretty cool. In the original, it was a very grey and bland looking place. The remake makes the castle look more varied. Either with the crap they put in the rooms, or some times fire glowing in a dark room adding some color.
The Ashley segment was scary all over again. The firs time I played the original RE4, that Ashley segment was pretty tense since all of a sudden you don't have a way to defend yourself. But it's really only scary on the first play through, and then that effect is lost. The remake, the made that segment scary all over again.
What I think they really need praise for is how they seemed to have made the game perfect for new players as well as RE4 veterans. It seems like the game would be fun if you never played RE4 before. But if you played the original, they tweaked so many things in such a way that it kept you on your toes.
Those regenerator dudes were scary all over again. In the original, they were so super creepy and scary because of how hard it is to kill them (at first). But then after you learn them, they aren't such a big deal. But in the remake, they can move really fast. If you try to run away from them to get a good distance to aim at their parasites, then can move pretty fast and close that distance. They also have this Stretch Armstrong grab that I don't remember the original ones having. And when they're prone on the floor, they have this super creepy slither crawl thing. I found them much harder to kill.
I didn't really like the added difficulty of the regenerators. But they did have two really good set pieces built around them that I think were great designs. That one room where they're in those glass tubes. You end up getting ambushed by regular enemies, but if you go balls to the walls trying to take them out, you might hit the glass tubes with bullets and free the regenerators. I accidentally freed two by mistake. So I ended up running away from them. But then I got a request from the merchant that meant I had to go back to that room, and those two regenerators that I freed were still there.
The other segment that I really liked was the room with the hanging body bags. You have to try and walk around the room and not bump into any of them. Which, I found out the hard way. Then you realize how you have to open the door to proceed, at which point you realize that room just became a zillion times harder. Until you realize that you can use the thermal scope to see which body bags you can bump into or not.
Speaking about redesigned areas... There were some new areas that I thought were really good designs, like the above mentioned as well as some others. But there were at least an equal amount of areas that I thought weren't as good a design as the original. And some omissions that I miss. I wasn't keeping a list, so I don't have any examples to cite. But I remember thinking this as I played through the game.
I thought the Krauser fights were a huge improvement. I'm really not a fan of QTE, and I really dislike watching a cutscene and then seeing a button prompt that I couldn't react to fast enough and then Leon getting killed. So I think the first Krauser fight is a huge improvement. It went from a cutscene with some QTEs to a proper boss fight. And I think they made the right decision. Keeping it a knife fight, and having to parry. I guess the second Krauser fight was more or less the same.
The Salazar boss fight was a neat change. Instead of fighting a huge blob that stays in one spot, this ridiculous monster thing chases you around and can insta-kill you. And speaking about boss fights, I ended up taking care of Saddler the way I always do. I played it once, got close to beating him but died. But instead of playing it a second time, now knowing a winning strategy, I purchased a rocket launcher.
Which was easier to do now that I have that charm that gets 20% of rocket launchers. And it was a nice surprise having Saddler go off the edge, and then fighting him in a second form on a lower level. Although the second form is cake, it was still a really neat addition. One thing I really liked is that it fills in a lot of gaps in the story. Most of which are from reading various letters, emails, notes, etc. But there's some exposition in cutscenes as well. I have no idea if some of these things were mentioned in other RE games, or other RE lore somehow, but having some more back story was kinda cool. Like, it's a total mystery who Salazar is and why he is partnered with Saddler. In the remake, you get a least a glimpse into this. The remake also gives you more of a glimpse into the origin of the plaga parasite, the progression that happened there, and the plans for it. The original was like "All for Umbrella's sake. Opps, almost gave it away." It seemed like a throwaway line, shoehorned in there to fit it in to the franchise. But the remake makes Umbrella's involvement a lot more clear, and believable. And fleshes out Luis' story as well.
I played the first chapter of Separate Ways, and it definitely feels like an improvement already. As Leon, you can read some emails between Ada and Luis, as well as some other things, that gives you an idea of what was going on. But then instead of just starting Ada in the village while Leon is getting attacked, it starts you earlier in the castle where you help Luis escape. I think this is such a great change that is a huge improvement.
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So I ended up getting RE2 Remake on Steam because it's on sale. I was very curious to play it on PC for two reasons. One, mouse aiming. And two, graphics.
The first time I played through RE2 Remake was on the PS4. It was a great experience. But I found aiming to be kinda difficult. Not horrible, but I wouldn't want to attempt the hardcore difficultly with how many shots I missed. So I was curious to play the game with mouse and keyboard controls to see how it compares. And there's no contest, I can aim so much faster and easier. Of course, because of the way the zombies move in this game, I still missed a couple of shots here and there. But on the whole, I nailed head shots frequently. Being already familiar with the game might have also had something to do with it, but it's clearly easier to aim with the mouse (as has always been the case).
Although, what I can say about it, is that nothing will ever compare to that first playthrough. Having to deal with joystick aiming added to the survival horror aspect of the game. Experiencing poorly lit areas for the first time, already on edge, knowing that you have limited ammo and every shot count, but aiming more important. Which usually leads to you goofing. So it really added to the experience for me. I'm glad I played it on PS4 first. I don't think I would have had quite the same experience if I played it for the first time on PC.
Now the graphics... I'm not a gluten for graphics. But since this game had PS4 and PS5 releases, I was curious what I might have been missing. I don't own a PS5, which is why I purchased it on PS4, but I was curious to see how it might look on PC with the graphics bumped up. I let the nVidia app set the graphic settings for me (chooses the best settings based on your hardware) and I was kind of annoyed with how it looks. So I did a little Googling and apparently this game (as well as other RE engine games) have their issues. Capcom released a patch for the game to bring it to DX12 with ray tracing, but apparently the performance was so poor that Capcom made it possible to revert back to the DX11 version of the game. The other issue is that AA is poor so there's tons of jaggies. Overall, the game can look pretty crappy. Long story short, I'm using DX12 with ray tracing turned on, and tweaked enough settings that it looks decent now. But I'm kinda bummed that there's some quality issues here that apparently aren't getting fixed. At least, these issues have been raised since the game's release in 2019 and still haven't been fixed 5 years later despite being a successful game, so I think it's safe to assume they have no interest in it.
There's another annoying quirk of the PC version. The volume wheel on my keyboard does not work to adjust the PC's volume while in game. I Googled this and apparently this is an issue in all RE engine games. This is like using your TV remote to adjust the volume, but if you go into a certain streaming app it doesn't work and you have to go up to your TV to adjust the volume.
Anyway, graphical and volume adjusting annoyances aside, I played through the PC version with Leon and it was still very fun. The only thing is, it was so much more fun playing it for the first time. Particularly traversing the police station for the first time and having Mr X chase you for the first time. Those experiences are greatly diminished after the first playthrough.
edit: There's was one other thing I wanted to talk about. The music. When I played through the game for the first time on PS4, it was the standard vanilla version of the game. I never played the original PS1 version, so I had zero thoughts on the music. Then I saw a review video that pointed out how the remake has a huge lack of music, and you can optionally purchased the original music soundtrack. Well, the Steam version that was on sale is the deluxe version or whatever it's called, and comes with the original music soundtrack. And that's what I used to play through the game.
I'm kinda torn, actually. Like I said a few times, the first time I played through RE2 remake on PS4 was a very good experience. Not having a lot of music, leaving you to really soak in the environment, was part of that experience. I played it a lot with headphones on, so you can hear everything that much better. Creeks, swinging light fixtures making those sharp horror sounds, rain outside especially around broken windows. It was like being inside the police station. But now that I've played through the game with the original soundtrack, I'm not sure which is better. I switch it on and off a few times. And pretty much whenever you hear the original music, it would have otherwise been silent. The no music thing might have added to my experience playing it for the first time, but I think having the music is the way to go with it going forward.
Is it kinda nutty that they want to charge you a few bucks for the original soundtrack? Seems like it should have been an unlockable!
The first time I played through RE2 Remake was on the PS4. It was a great experience. But I found aiming to be kinda difficult. Not horrible, but I wouldn't want to attempt the hardcore difficultly with how many shots I missed. So I was curious to play the game with mouse and keyboard controls to see how it compares. And there's no contest, I can aim so much faster and easier. Of course, because of the way the zombies move in this game, I still missed a couple of shots here and there. But on the whole, I nailed head shots frequently. Being already familiar with the game might have also had something to do with it, but it's clearly easier to aim with the mouse (as has always been the case).
Although, what I can say about it, is that nothing will ever compare to that first playthrough. Having to deal with joystick aiming added to the survival horror aspect of the game. Experiencing poorly lit areas for the first time, already on edge, knowing that you have limited ammo and every shot count, but aiming more important. Which usually leads to you goofing. So it really added to the experience for me. I'm glad I played it on PS4 first. I don't think I would have had quite the same experience if I played it for the first time on PC.
Now the graphics... I'm not a gluten for graphics. But since this game had PS4 and PS5 releases, I was curious what I might have been missing. I don't own a PS5, which is why I purchased it on PS4, but I was curious to see how it might look on PC with the graphics bumped up. I let the nVidia app set the graphic settings for me (chooses the best settings based on your hardware) and I was kind of annoyed with how it looks. So I did a little Googling and apparently this game (as well as other RE engine games) have their issues. Capcom released a patch for the game to bring it to DX12 with ray tracing, but apparently the performance was so poor that Capcom made it possible to revert back to the DX11 version of the game. The other issue is that AA is poor so there's tons of jaggies. Overall, the game can look pretty crappy. Long story short, I'm using DX12 with ray tracing turned on, and tweaked enough settings that it looks decent now. But I'm kinda bummed that there's some quality issues here that apparently aren't getting fixed. At least, these issues have been raised since the game's release in 2019 and still haven't been fixed 5 years later despite being a successful game, so I think it's safe to assume they have no interest in it.
There's another annoying quirk of the PC version. The volume wheel on my keyboard does not work to adjust the PC's volume while in game. I Googled this and apparently this is an issue in all RE engine games. This is like using your TV remote to adjust the volume, but if you go into a certain streaming app it doesn't work and you have to go up to your TV to adjust the volume.
Anyway, graphical and volume adjusting annoyances aside, I played through the PC version with Leon and it was still very fun. The only thing is, it was so much more fun playing it for the first time. Particularly traversing the police station for the first time and having Mr X chase you for the first time. Those experiences are greatly diminished after the first playthrough.
edit: There's was one other thing I wanted to talk about. The music. When I played through the game for the first time on PS4, it was the standard vanilla version of the game. I never played the original PS1 version, so I had zero thoughts on the music. Then I saw a review video that pointed out how the remake has a huge lack of music, and you can optionally purchased the original music soundtrack. Well, the Steam version that was on sale is the deluxe version or whatever it's called, and comes with the original music soundtrack. And that's what I used to play through the game.
I'm kinda torn, actually. Like I said a few times, the first time I played through RE2 remake on PS4 was a very good experience. Not having a lot of music, leaving you to really soak in the environment, was part of that experience. I played it a lot with headphones on, so you can hear everything that much better. Creeks, swinging light fixtures making those sharp horror sounds, rain outside especially around broken windows. It was like being inside the police station. But now that I've played through the game with the original soundtrack, I'm not sure which is better. I switch it on and off a few times. And pretty much whenever you hear the original music, it would have otherwise been silent. The no music thing might have added to my experience playing it for the first time, but I think having the music is the way to go with it going forward.
Is it kinda nutty that they want to charge you a few bucks for the original soundtrack? Seems like it should have been an unlockable!
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Love RE2R and platinum'd it on the PS4 myself. Got it on PC to replay in even better form.
Both the OG and remake are 10/10's for me, but when it comes to the music I vastly prefer the OG OST. I'm still surprised by how well it fit the remake to me.
Both the OG and remake are 10/10's for me, but when it comes to the music I vastly prefer the OG OST. I'm still surprised by how well it fit the remake to me.
