Capcom Won't Make a Sequel For Less than 2M Sales

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Giant budgets and unrealistic sales are killing gaming.
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Haoie wrote:Giant budgets and unrealistic sales are killing gaming.
No, they're just killing the publishers and brands/franchises we grew up with. Indies are doing just fine.
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Haoie wrote:Giant budgets and unrealistic sales are killing gaming.
No, they're just killing the publishers and brands/franchises we grew up with. Indies are doing just fine.
Ehhh... kinda? Not too many physical releases for indies, which for a lot of people is a big part of gaming. Also, while there certainly is an indie scene on consoles thanks in large part to XBLA, it's mostly thriving in the computer world, again only a subsect of gaming.

For those of us who like console games on a shelf, indies aren't a ton of help. Some, sure. But not a ton.
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KalessinDB wrote: Ehhh... kinda? Not too many physical releases for indies, which for a lot of people is a big part of gaming. Also, while there certainly is an indie scene on consoles thanks in large part to XBLA, it's mostly thriving in the computer world, again only a subsect of gaming.

For those of us who like console games on a shelf, indies aren't a ton of help. Some, sure. But not a ton.
I don't want to disappoint you, but the days of physical releases are truly numbered. Profit margins are higher, you don't get into too many/too few copies situations, and although I know the internet infrastructure sucks in the US, in all the rest of the developed world AND developing countries/new markets, it's just that much easier to sell to the consumer digitally (think of markets like India, Middle-east, ect. where there aren't many official distribution networks for video games, but there are probably enough rich people who do want to buy and play video games).

And really you shouldn't be rejecting amazing experiences just because of the platform/form they are on/take. You are doing yourself a great diservice.

I started as a console gamer, went handheld, then PC, then handheld AND console, then PC again, then handheld again, then went HARDCORE console (played a LOT of games on my Wii and PS3), then PC, then retro, then PC, and now I'm in a handheld phase again (3DS).

Each of those phases lasted 1-4 years, and I played almost exclusively on the specific systems during each phase, cause I just kept finding new gaming experiences in new "places" (platforms)
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You're not disappointing me, I'm well aware that the shift has already started. There's a good chance that it'll reduce, though not end, my collecting days as well. I would never unilaterally discount something because of the media it comes on, it's just a preference, and physical media is a lot more real, more tangible. I know that I can still play it, legally, 30 years after it was sold. Digital-only? Virtually no chance I can play it legally 30 years later. Illegally? Sure, very likely, but not legally.

As to PC vs console again, preference only. I'm a retro enthusiast at heart, and while the occasional modern game does sink its hooks into me hard, they're few and far between (case in point, this weekend will be split between Hyrule Warriors and DnD: Tower of Doom depending on who if anyone is at my house). I've simply never had the money to devote to keeping a gaming PC up to date, so it's never interested me. I have played many PC games in my day, mostly shareware and Sierra titles in the 90s, but lately not so much. WoW was my latest "modern" pc game, if that gives you any idea.
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KalessinDB wrote: As to PC vs console again, preference only. I'm a retro enthusiast at heart, and while the occasional modern game does sink its hooks into me hard, they're few and far between (case in point, this weekend will be split between Hyrule Warriors and DnD: Tower of Doom depending on who if anyone is at my house). I've simply never had the money to devote to keeping a gaming PC up to date, so it's never interested me. I have played many PC games in my day, mostly shareware and Sierra titles in the 90s, but lately not so much. WoW was my latest "modern" pc game, if that gives you any idea.
Fair enough for the thing in bold, but man really the "fact" that you need an expensive PC to play modern games is as true as the "fact" that the Wii was a shitty console. Of course if you buy one of those shitty alienware PCs you are getting scammed, and I'm getting a feeling most Americans buy ready built PC from firms like that who overcharge way too much for their ready solutions, which is a big reason for the misconception that a gaming PC is expensive.

Anyway, to its his own, but just so you know most indie games run on decade old hardware too :P
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PC gaming isn't that expensive and you have to figure the PC also isn't just doing games or the few other limits a console/handheld gaming device does too. 3 years ago I got an ASUS laptop, i5 2410-M 2.3(boosts to 3ghz in games/media), 6GB ram, intel hd 3000 graphics laptop. I can handle most of what comes out, just the fewer more intense things need to run in the low to med(at best, usually a mix) graphics settings but i'll still pull 30-60fps which is all you need outside of maybe online gaming a FPS which I won't do. That laptop set me back like 700 at Frys when I got it and it's great. I am going to replace it, the 7 year old PC in the other room (quad core 2.6ghz 3gb ram, 2gb radeon video card) PC is showing it's age and finally dying but even that can run stuff, some far nicer than this laptop since it blows at certain styles of hardware T&L. That computer was $1000 back then and like $200 in upgrades since. That's nothing. The laptop when I replace it will go to my wife to use with her big LED screen, keyboard and mouse as a photoshop cs6, internet, video computer and i'll get a gaming laptop.

That gaming laptop I've learned looking about, it's right, if you go big box you'll pay more for name, preloaded trash, and their other bloat. There are a couple US websites that just assemble laptops to your specs in their shell and you get the same or better parts for less cash, it's like a do it yourself PC in a laptop frame. I'm looking to go that route unless I find some stellar deal on an ASUS or MSI made computer at this rate.

As far as preference goes I'm pro-physical. When/if things go completely digital most games I just won't buy unless I know I'll get enough hours and good fun out of it to justify the price. I know when physical is gone the idea is that prices will drop like by 1/2 since all that added employment, costs, and materials will vanish, but still when you can't sell of something when you're done and you're stuck with it, that factors in. It factors in just as much with people being unable to access the same game maybe 10 years later or more because the network dies/drops the game.
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ZeroAX wrote:
Gunstar Green wrote: I don't think anyone would call the Inti Creates games bad (Mega Man Zero, ZX, 9-10) and they're also heavily involved in Mighty No. 9.

The argument that they ruined Mega Man would come from the cancellations and the fact that like Breath of Fire he was demoted to iOS game status.
I'm sorry but I really just didn't like the ZX series. Same for the 6th, 7th and 8th entry in the X series.

Other than that I will completely agree with the rest of your post :)
You don't have to like them :P , I just don't think they're objectively bad games. At least not in the same way as the later Mega Man X games (especially 6 and 7, I also dislike 8 but some people swear by it).
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Gunstar Green wrote:ZX
The ZX games on DS are fantastic.

I mean, it's metroidvania Mega Man with a plot and narrative. For me that's super hot stuff.
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Gaming is bigger than ever, I don't see how big budget games are killing gaming. Naturally those who can't make big budget games will either just make more modest games or fold.
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