Nerds and Male Privilege

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Fascinating discussion here, and many great people chimed in, and I too enjoyed Key-Glyph's post.

My roots are strong in the arcade world, and I always found it nice to see girls in there playing when it's not MS. PAC MAN *facepalm* (nothing wrong with it, just saying!) That sadly is an example there. If games and other things were more gender neutral we'd have everyone participate in them more.

Plus, it would mean less of the stereotypical scenarios all over the internet with the gamers in their basement caves playing the FPS flavor of the month when a girl enters their game and they spaz out and everything not knowing what to do :lol:
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The article can be summed up as: "video game developers know their audience and men care more about sex than women". Thanks, Sherlock. Men have been having to compete for and cater toward for women for probably the entire history of mankind itself. Yes, allow us to shut off this crucial evolutionary instinct so a woman somewhere doesn't feel creeped out when she gets extra attention at the local Magic The Gathering tournament.

This article isn't worth the electricity it consumes to host.
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So is it not okay I play Cooking Mama? I take gripe with this whole thread and that article. In today's world its to hard to say what's sexist and what's not. It has come to the point where I worry about holding a door for a woman, will she think I am holding the door because I feel women are delicate and fragile, does she think I am doing it just to hit on her or will she think I am just holding the door to be nice. No matter what I do some one won't be pleased so I just try to do what makes me feel the best.

To me porpusefully making a game for women is just as sexist as doing the opposed. Who's to say what a woman game should be, not even a woman could say what all women would like. Nor a man for the matter because I hate macho guy characters, why can't they put a shirt on or when they do find one that fits.
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It's bothering me that my post was so rambly. I will sum it up in the following paragraph:

1) Although video games were marketed at boys when I was introduced to them as a child, the concept of excluding girls was not prevalent (in my experience at least). 2) As companies later began cornering a "girls' market" to draw in more female gamers, they established the theory that girls simply were not interested in electronics, period, unless they were catered specifically to them [by being pink, by being about fashion design, by being simple, etc.]. 3) Many of today's games, and aspects of geek culture, have bought into this theory and internalized the message "this is Not for Girls" (as opposed to "this was kinda aimed at boys, but whatever floats your boat") and can be actively hostile toward female involvement. The mistaken belief that girls and women will not be intrinsically interested in electronics has come to support behavior and content that alienates them, thus fueling a self-fulfilling prophecy. 4) If I were a kid today I don't know if I would have followed my gamer instincts or would have been discouraged by this more prominent gender binary. I was lucky to put my roots down before being influenced by it. 5) The Racketboy community is fabulous and I love it. It's not all bad out there. 6) I thought the original article nailed it. 7) I really liked Irixith's posts too.
pepharytheworm wrote:To me porpusefully making a game for women is just as sexist as doing the opposed.
Yes. That's why the author was arguing for more variety in gaming.

I suggest that anybody interested in this topic read the book From Barbie to Mortal Kombat: Gender and Computer Games by Cassell, Justine and Henry Jenkins, ed., or portions of it. It's a collection of essays addressing many angles of femininity as manifested in, and applied to, gaming culture. It was compiled in 1998, but it's still fascinating. There's also the blog Fat, Ugly or Slutty, to which players (mostly women) submit the harrasment messages they encounter online. The blog showcases them for the lolz, if anyone's interested.
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It's wonderful that you have these issues in mind as a parent. You're right that you're not the only influence working on your kids -- the buck does not completely stop with you because there's still a whole world out there -- but you open the door. By being aware of the biases and being open about your kids' interests, you're giving them the opportunity to explore, and you're also establishing a level of comfort and trust with them. They'll be much more likely to be true to themselves since you've established your family as a "safe space" for them to be honest. They'll try new things they're intrigued by but unsure about (in a social context), and they'll also be more likely to withstand peer pressure to conform to something they don't like, since they know you value them regardless.
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Key-Glyph wrote:
I suggest that anybody interested in this topic read the book From Barbie to Mortal Kombat: Gender and Computer Games by Cassell, Justine and Henry Jenkins, ed., or portions of it. It's a collection of essays addressing many angles of femininity as manifested in, and applied to, gaming culture. It was compiled in 1998, but it's still fascinating. There's also the blog Fat, Ugly or Slutty, to which players (mostly women) submit the harrasment messages they encounter online. The blog showcases them for the lolz, if anyone's interested.

I second this, I started looking at that book for an essay I was doing, but I struggled to put it down once I found what I needed from it. That blog is very interesting too, I wish I'd remembered about it to use for my essay too :lol:
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Key-Glyph wrote:
pepharytheworm wrote:To me porpusefully making a game for women is just as sexist as doing the opposed.
Yes. That's why the author was arguing for more variety in gaming.
Thats where I think most people find issue with the article. There is a lot of variety out there and its expanding everyday. The only modern consoles I own are a Wii, DS, and 3DS and to me the library has a great variety for everyone. Kirby is a prime example of a game not meant for any sex or age, but why some guys are ashamed to say they like Kirby is beyond me.
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pepharytheworm wrote:
Key-Glyph wrote:
pepharytheworm wrote:To me porpusefully making a game for women is just as sexist as doing the opposed.
Yes. That's why the author was arguing for more variety in gaming.
Thats where I think most people find issue with the article. There is a lot of variety out there and its expanding everyday. The only modern consoles I own are a Wii, DS, and 3DS and to me the library has a great variety for everyone. Kirby is a prime example of a game not meant for any sex or age, but why some guys are ashamed to say they like Kirby is beyond me.
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Kirby sucks and spits. That's why there's shame. Also, Kirby is one of the few games that, although "cutesy", is still really playable. So many games aim for "cute" and just induce nausea instead.
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o.pwuaioc wrote: So many games aim for "cute" and just induce nausea instead.
*thinks of Kinectimals*

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Czernobog wrote:Kirby takes no prisoner. He will chew you up and spit you into your fresh grave.
:lol:

I really, really want to use this quotation in my signature.
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