World is Falling Apart Thread (Locked forever)

[Jmustang1968]

Not sure how you really prevent momentary lapse of judgement hooking up while intoxicated type situation. The persons involved may typically show good judgement and use contraceptives, but failed in that instance due to mental impairment/lust.

[dsheinem]

The persons involved may typically show good judgement and use contraceptives, but failed in that instance due to mental impairment/lust.

So you remember PAX East too, huh?

[Blu]

An interesting thought, Blu. If I may play devil's advocate for a second (this is where I get into trouble!): while there is certainly a lack of evidence of extensive voter fraud (seriously, that is a really high number that Trump threw out there), one could very much argue that we don't have very effective mechanisms by which to detect such fraud in the first place. So even if it was going on at that scale, we wouldn't have adequate means to know it. So in a lot of ways, both sides are kind of stuck with a gut reaction. Those on the left are generally dismissive of claims of widespread voter fraud, those on the right are generally more accepting that it may be happening, and none of us really have much data to prove it either way.

Certainly, you are correct that the burden of proof is on Pres. Trump. If he really does go forward with some major investigations, then it will be interesting if anything turns up. I suspect that he won't blow a lot of political capital on such a move, given that he's already elected, but who knows? He's nothing if not unpredictable.

I appreciate the post Sarge. I don't think it's dangerous to play devil's advocate on this one. However, I believe most states have provisional ballot procedures in place to ensure that there's nothing fraudulent. Most county clerks too keep record of who's passed away as to keep the logs up-to-date, at least here in Michigan they do. I think it might be worthwhile to acknowledge that a chorus of Secretary of States have said that the voting procedures in place prevented voter fraud that Donald Trump is alleging.

I mean, he's said that zero of the 3-5M illegal votes voted for him, which sounds about as close to statistically impossible as you could get. It just seems really quite unnecessary. If it's a notion of how he's going to introduce new voter legislation, which is rumored, I hope it includes bipartisan work on the following:

- Addressing every instance of gerrymandering and outlawing it.
- Bringing back the 1968 voting rights act and ensuring it is followed, with polling locations opened.
- If a voter ID system is a solution, how to account for and address disparities such as SES, race, and other social identity pieces that could be discriminatory in such a system.

My guess however, is that this will be delegated to the states, resulting in a shitshow that won't lead to the investigation that you want, but instead will further consolidate power to one party.

[Jmustang1968]

The persons involved may typically show good judgement and use contraceptives, but failed in that instance due to mental impairment/lust.

So you remember PAX East too, huh?

Hey I don't know what you and your buddy were up to that night, if you recall I was tired and checked out early in the hotel!!

[MrPopo]

Not sure how you really prevent momentary lapse of judgement hooking up while intoxicated type situation. The persons involved may typically show good judgement and use contraceptives, but failed in that instance due to mental impairment/lust.

Well, in situations like that you have both the standard hormonal contraceptives used regularly (assuming people have affordable access to it), but in addition you have the morning after pill, which is a high dose of the regular birth control that suppresses ovulation. So even though there's sperm hanging out in the uterus if you can take that pill before the egg is released no pregnancy happens. Obviously if an egg was released beforehand then you're likely to get pregnant.

[Jmustang1968]

Not sure how you really prevent momentary lapse of judgement hooking up while intoxicated type situation. The persons involved may typically show good judgement and use contraceptives, but failed in that instance due to mental impairment/lust.

Well, in situations like that you have both the standard hormonal contraceptives used regularly (assuming people have affordable access to it), but in addition you have the morning after pill, which is a high dose of the regular birth control that suppresses ovulation. So even though there's sperm hanging out in the uterus if you can take that pill before the egg is released no pregnancy happens. Obviously if an egg was released beforehand then you're likely to get pregnant.

Well sure, I am more speaking in terms of preventing the causes issue that ack was discussing.

[jp1]

I'm baffled every day at how many people feel it is their business to dictate to other folks what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.

It's stupid to be opposed to free birth control and also opposed to abortion. Then while opposing abortion you also oppose the social programs to help care for the kid you want to force them to have. It is just one long string of stupid shit that is self contradictory and that frankly you shouldn't have a say in at all.

Of course I'm pro-life, I'm also pro-choice because I can't possibly know the circumstances of a woman's personal choice in the matter and quite frankly...it's none of my fucking business.

It's a whole new level of stupid to be "pro-life" because it's "murder" and be "for the death penalty". Murder is murder, that is all there is to it. On abortion the subject is at least debatable, with the death penalty it is cut and dry.

I swear if you don't stop whining about "personal attacks" in between being a Neanderthal my head might explode. Why don't you make some well reasoned and well thought out points before expecting other people to do so on your behalf.

You have really boiled this thing down into being much more simple than it is.

The pro-life and murder statement is garbage, even more for you saying it is a whole new level of stupid. Pro-life is just a shortened moniker for the abortion political stance. Most would agree a child, infant, unborn fetus, whatever you want to describe it, is innocent and thus deserves a chance at life. Whereas, most convicted of murder, have done horrendous crimes and are being removed from society. Yet you will connect the 2 and boil it down to the wordrink usage of prolife.

While I believe government should stay out of out personal lives, I can understand those who are religious and believe conception is life, by wanting to outlaw abortions for the unspoken rights of the unborn. This is obviously why it is such a contentious issue. It isn't like they are just getting a tattoo or piercing, with the controlling ones body statements.

And of course voters have a measure of a say. The politicians elected decide where federal funding is slotted to, and the politicians are supposed to decide based on the wishes of their constituents.

This is one of those almost perfect dilemma situations that hurts my head to even get into. Ultimately, I am not a religious person and am for less government in private life, but I can easily sympathize or at least understand those with a pro-life abortion stance, and they aren't all a bunch of fucking morons like you want to swin it.

You see the problem is that a religious person should already know that they don't hold the right to pass judgement or commit murder under any circumstance.

I am religious, just not your stereotyped world view of what limitations the Christian mind struggles with.

You can ignore the hypocrisy if you like, I won't. In addition I didn't ever posit that all pro-life advocates are morons. I spoke about a "pick and choose" idealogy that is indoctrinated in so many churches and religions.



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President Donald Trump First Interview At White House - Keep an open mind
Just finished watching last night's ABC Interview thru YouTube to avoid any edits. Here are all the parts with Part 2 having interesting Q/A. David Muir asked some very solid questions for the public. He brought out the President to open up his thoughts to speak as if two were having an open conversation at a diner; very well done candid interview.



(Part 1) Family, The Wall, Voter Fraud and Media Coverage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcrwSTjm-g4

(Part 2) Chicago Murders, Water Boarding, Nuclear and Unsettling - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa6u0maa8ac

(Part 3) Immigration and Iraq War Failures - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2Q2S5-DNis

(Part 4) Obama Care and Protesters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRkJjpdkVbk

(Part 5) Oval Office, President Obama and Economy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WvcXOpy600

1. President Trump Interview tonight on Hannity Fox at 10pm East Coast Time 9 PM Central and 8pm West Coast Time.

2. The ProLife March this Friday Jan 27, 2017

[jp1]

Of course I'm pro-life, I'm also pro-choice because I can't possibly know the circumstances of a woman's personal choice in the matter and quite frankly...it's none of my fucking business.

Of course. I'd also like to point out that as Americans, we're generally pretty bad about banning things. Women have abortions regardless of whether they are illegal, just as people commit murder, smoke marijuana, drive too fast without their seat belts on, illegally download copyrighted material, etc. We have bans on all these things...and yet, people still do them, though often at risk of serious injury or death due to having to keep it hidden from law enforcement.

Instead of simply installing some sort of blanket ban, I feel there are better ways to go about tackling the issue of abortion. The most important first step is to ask "Why?" And once the reasons are discerned, go after those. Instead of treating the symptom, go after what causes it, be it economic factors, lack of education, disease or sickness, sexual assault or incest, the problems with the adoption system in the US, societal views towards unmarried mothers, the high cost of raising a child, etc. By working to resolve these issues, abortions will naturally decline as a result. If you really want to end abortion, this is the best way to go about it.

And you'll most likely never truly end abortion...but you won't end it by banning it either. Instead you can attempt to reduce its use as an option and ensure that those who do end up using that option receive better treatment from fully trained healthcare professionals in sanitary conditions.

In truth, abortion feels like an issue we shouldn't really be fighting over; it's all the problems behind abortion that we should be examining.

Some good points. I certainly am boiling down a complex issue, but the intracacies of it don't change the fact it is dictatorial to ban it. That said, I agree those issue you brought up should be addressed.

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[MrPopo]

Not sure how you really prevent momentary lapse of judgement hooking up while intoxicated type situation. The persons involved may typically show good judgement and use contraceptives, but failed in that instance due to mental impairment/lust.

Well, in situations like that you have both the standard hormonal contraceptives used regularly (assuming people have affordable access to it), but in addition you have the morning after pill, which is a high dose of the regular birth control that suppresses ovulation. So even though there's sperm hanging out in the uterus if you can take that pill before the egg is released no pregnancy happens. Obviously if an egg was released beforehand then you're likely to get pregnant.

Well sure, I am more speaking in terms of preventing the causes issue that ack was discussing.

Well, no more so than you can for the rape case. The ultimate cause in both cases is unexpected sex. So you can have preventative measures in place, like encouraging everyone to be on hormonal contraceptives until they're ready to have kids, at which point they cease the medication.