Wii-U thoughts so far

[Xeogred]

Meh, I hate the term "waggle" because it's so often been used unfairly as a catch-all complaint against Wii games. It's often applied incorrectly (games that use a pointer typically require precise movements instead of waggle) which makes the person using the term look silly or foolish.

The term should be legit - lots of games with horrible design did use waggle - but it's been abused to the point where every time I hear it my eyes roll on reflex...

This.

I don't even know what the point of complaining about it is when half the library requires nearly no effort with the remotes. Several games I play with the remotes in my lap. Like normal controllers. So it's just like... are you that lazy?

Yeah, normal controllers would have been better in that case. But oh well. Won't let that silliness stop me from playing good stuff.

[Tanooki]

Ahhh dsheinem. I didn't know this was a sugar coat only thread of nothing but pro-Nintendo sunshine and roses. I can sympathise with it completely as I'd have been right along with that up until around 5 years ago or so but Nintendo kind of set fire to the bridge and do repeatedly. I've got to where I love them for their past, question their sanity in the 21st century on the console front. To me their current game quality has slacked a bit and their hardware gets more and more lost in the weeds. Anyone knowing me from the last century would be surprised I ditched the Wii and talk like I do as any other companies console was just an added distraction, now it's the main attraction.


ejamer: I agree entirely it is often misused or used just to do blanket statements. I've been with them as my source of entertainment since the 1985 test launch. I wouldn't even buy another console until the Turbo Duo in the later 90s along with the Dreamcast (hiss sega!) They shifted me multiplatform and greatly into being a portable gamer too with GBC, but I didn't mind, I blamed Sony for it entirely ignoring the facts. Gamecube pleased me, it was a partial shift back towards third and first party support. Then the Wii went so far off the rails though it felt genius at first that it turned from love to disgust and eventually using it as a netflix box a couple years before just selling it. WiiU I gave them another chance to find out from my brother, a third party licensee producer, what opportunity Nintendo was given and shot down with that system and that nudged me over the edge selling that Wii and committing to buying a PS4. The Wii caused me to open my eyes to Nintendo and their hardware habits, the WiiU with the opportunity they blew from third parties validated it. I still love the WiiU, but it's no longer my main system, it's just what Nintendo wanted it to be, a first party game box.

[Violent By Design]

Meh, I hate the term "waggle" because it's so often been used unfairly as a catch-all complaint against Wii games. It's often applied incorrectly (games that use a pointer typically require precise movements instead of waggle) which makes the person using the term look silly or foolish.

The term should be legit - lots of games with horrible design did use waggle - but it's been abused to the point where every time I hear it my eyes roll on reflex...

This.

I don't even know what the point of complaining about it is when half the library requires nearly no effort with the remotes. Several games I play with the remotes in my lap. Like normal controllers. So it's just like... are you that lazy?

Yeah, normal controllers would have been better in that case. But oh well. Won't let that silliness stop me from playing good stuff.

The answer to that is yes. Not only are people pissed about "waggle" controls, but they borderline find it offensive.

[ejamer]

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[BoneSnapDeez]

Finally got my second game for my Wii U.

Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

Looking forward to starting it soon.

[BogusMeatFactory]

What did people think about NES Remix?

From what I got, a lot of people felt the first in the series was flawed, but fun and NES Remix 2 was where it really shines as being a blast, having more diverse challenges and being a bit more cohesive.

Finally got my second game for my Wii U.

Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

Looking forward to starting it soon.

You are going to enjoy it a lot. It is a perfect mix of challenge without being impossible. Play solo as with a friend ups the difficulty a million fold.

FWIW, this thread has long been adverse to anything other than "positive Wii-U (and Nintendo) thoughts so far".

Dave, I do not see this thread as being a, "YOU MUST LOVE NINTENDO," thread at all. My objections have been towards constant repetition of arguments, like the dreaded Nintendo is a complete failure, look at the sales and the, Nintendo sucks, because waggle.

My discussion with Tanooki is really about negativity in tone. We talk a lot about how a person perceives tone on the internet and vocabulary has a lot to do with that. Tanooki, you say things like, "I'm over it," yet use words like, disgust, butthurt and talk about how illogical the fans are. This says to me you are not over it and are looking for a fight.

My stance is, why can't people enjoy games? Why must we run into places and crap on people's parade. Yeah, you won't like Mario Sunshine with motion controls, that is fine, but don't tell me that the idea is bad, because for me, that is exactly what I want from the game. People have this concept that we all must conform to a single view point and it needs to stop.

I like games, I am not an angry person. At no point do I feel that people are wrong for liking one thing over another. If I disagree, I don't think the other person MUST conform to my viewpoint. The Wii-U thread is to talk about the Wii-U and discuss and enthuse about it, talk about it's positives and negatives, but in a rational manner. That's all.

[Tanooki]

What did people think about NES Remix?

Just finished getting 3-stars on everything because I'm kind of compulsive... but damn, this game just isn't very much fun. Some challenges are highly luck-based, others are just annoying. A small percentage are actually fun twists on the old classics, and it's cute to see the mash-up challenges for classics games and situations. Those represent a clear minority of the game though. Instead it's mostly focusing on OCD collection of stars/bits.

Is the second game much better when it comes to creative challenges? Or maybe because the NES games it uses are just more fun to play?

So yeah, kind of glad that I got this from Club Nintendo now since dropping actual money on the retail version (which would have happened) wouldn't have been awesome.

I bought it, touched it a couple hours and never looked back. I found it barely fun at all, and the remix challenges if you can call them that felt quite a bit luck based, not skill based as I know those games very well and own a good deal of them still. The stuff based on games specifically listed under their name I felt were a little better thought out but still some were entirely based on luck. It also drove me nuts that the game felt input lagged and I've never had this happen to me on a game before on the TV, even those actual games in those very spots using the original cart on a RCA cabled top loader (or the retron 5) which bugged the crap out of me.

I heard the second one has far better planned and reasonable challenges with the luck aspect out and making more really based on skill and not luck so I'm looking forward to the disc based WiiU collection later in the year.

As for my feelings on the Wii, that won't be changed. Too much was done so wrong with it from concept to execution that for the pile of games that came out I feel in the end maybe 1-3% actually were worth owning and could be enjoyable as it was just so so poorly handled it was ridiculous. WiiU is kind of the same given they had the choice of doing something great and having third party support and threw that to the wind. The thing is, if you just want a Nintendo box, it is succeeding far better than the Wii did in delivering some nice first party stuff done very well sans gimmickery. DKC is definitely something to look at like NES Remix 2, Mario U and 3D World, Zelda WW HD most definitely too. At least it got a few solid 3rd party titles too, even if the foolish majority of the owners poo poo'd it, but that does play into the reality that Nintendo created the problem driving away all but the most die hard fans who only buy WiiU or those who buy it just to get the first party games and nothing else. The shame for them is that will never allow them continued existence in the long run as it's a model based on attrition. They need an inclusive setup that draws in all sorts of gamers, even those who could care almost entirely for none of their own titles but what others make as 3DS has done nicely enough.

[casterofdreams]

So I started a second play through of Mass Effect 3. Higher difficulty setting and I want to max out my level. I also wanted to make a couple a different choices on the comic compared to the first time around.

[BogusMeatFactory]

I bought it, touched it a couple hours and never looked back. I found it barely fun at all, and the remix challenges if you can call them that felt quite a bit luck based, not skill based as I know those games very well and own a good deal of them still. The stuff based on games specifically listed under their name I felt were a little better thought out but still some were entirely based on luck. It also drove me nuts that the game felt input lagged and I've never had this happen to me on a game before on the TV, even those actual games in those very spots using the original cart on a RCA cabled top loader (or the retron 5) which bugged the crap out of me.

I heard the second one has far better planned and reasonable challenges with the luck aspect out and making more really based on skill and not luck so I'm looking forward to the disc based WiiU collection later in the year.

As for my feelings on the Wii, that won't be changed. Too much was done so wrong with it from concept to execution that for the pile of games that came out I feel in the end maybe 1-3% actually were worth owning and could be enjoyable as it was just so so poorly handled it was ridiculous. WiiU is kind of the same given they had the choice of doing something great and having third party support and threw that to the wind. The thing is, if you just want a Nintendo box, it is succeeding far better than the Wii did in delivering some nice first party stuff done very well sans gimmickery. DKC is definitely something to look at like NES Remix 2, Mario U and 3D World, Zelda WW HD most definitely too. At least it got a few solid 3rd party titles too, even if the foolish majority of the owners poo poo'd it, but that does play into the reality that Nintendo created the problem driving away all but the most die hard fans who only buy WiiU or those who buy it just to get the first party games and nothing else. The shame for them is that will never allow them continued existence in the long run as it's a model based on attrition. They need an inclusive setup that draws in all sorts of gamers, even those who could care almost entirely for none of their own titles but what others make as 3DS has done nicely enough.

I disagree, but that is ok.

[Tanooki]

With what, the reality of where the Wii and WiiU really sit, or just my feelings on why I don't find RE a good game?