Wii-U thoughts so far

[Opa Opa]

Should we go ahead and get prsnl_gmr in here to describe supply-and-demand before the same damned, idiotic argument happens yet again?

[dsheinem]

If being elite is someone willing to blow $500 on a loose video game cart, I guess I'm not, I'm sane. I said what I said because I've lived through it as a kid watching pilfering sacks of shit wreck both baseball cards and comics for me as a kid on a small allowance. More and more shops opened, people started to compete on the local level over the nicer copy, the higher price, then it started to impact shelf pricing on stuff too short of upselling the sticker price of a new Marvel comic. If it's elite to drive out the average buyer who is in it for the medium and not the prestige, then the elite are the scamming assholes I said they were because they're creating the predatory market of jamming up prices because they can find more suckers to fleece enough to sustain it while driving many more away. Eventually it always will hit a peak and then fracture but only after a wrecking balls worth of damage is left behind. My point is don't feed the beast, it's fat enough already.


And dude really mocking my post, you sound like some NintendoAge uppity asshole making a post like that and I'm glad to be distanced from that aggravating trash.

Where do you think you see this giant influx of elite/scammers/uppity assholes who are "driving out the average buyer"? Video gaming itself has increasingly grown in popularity over the past couple of decades and it was inevitable that games which were more in demand and more scarce would go up in price as more people got interested in retrogaming. I'm sure some people are hoping to make a buck selling to those who are "in it for the medium" but I think that there are just a lot more people who are interested in buying and playing these old games?

And you know what, it is awesome for the "average buyer" that retrogaming is growing! That growth has led to a flood of cheap retro content on digital services, cheap clone consoles, emulation on everything, cheap reproductions of expensive carts, and a renaissance of retro design and aesthetics in the modern gaming landscape.

Don't be a hater, d00d. There's plenty of stuff at a range of prices for everyone who is in it to play games to enjoy.

[Tanooki]

Then you sound like some whiney collector who complains about the prices of a very small percentage of games when the vast majority of games are very affordable and some of the cheapest entertain bang for your buck.

Maybe you get kicked off boards for coming in and calling other members uppity assholes...

Calling it as I see it, don't poke a stick if you don't want to get snapped at. I'm not a collector either, grew away from that years ago seeing the pointlessness of it all. What I have is to play and I wouldn't pay that price to play it, but I'd happily pay someone with a kazoo reader and a board to make me a Samson for a tenth of the cost (or just buy Lickle since I've got the R5 and a honeybee.)


Supply and demand can be manipulated, saw that enough over the last few years where you get speculators picking off carts trying to drive up the price among other tactics and it's shameful. Clearly I'm angering the collectors who like the prices so I'm going to leave it with this post because nothing will change things going back and forward now will it?

[dsheinem]

I'd happily pay someone with a kazoo reader and a board to make me a Samson for a tenth of the cost (or just buy Lickle since I've got the R5 and a honeybee.)

AND HOW AWESOME IS IT THAT THE POPULARITY OF RETROGAMING ALLOWS YOU TO DO THIS?!!??! RIGHT?

Supply and demand can be manipulated, saw that enough over the last few years where you get speculators picking off carts trying to drive up the price among other tactics and it's shameful.

Where has this happened and how would you even know? I'd love to see several concrete examples.

Clearly I'm angering the collectors who like the prices so I'm going to leave it with this post because nothing will change things going back and forward now will it?

I don't think you are "angering collectors" I think you are full of misplaced rage. You are insinuating that collectors are "in it for prestige" or "just want to drive the average buyer away" through elitist uppity hoarding and price gouging. By FAR the vast majority of "collectors" I know (and I know a shit ton) collect video games SO THAT THEY CAN PLAY THEM.

[Jmustang1968]

Dont make absurd and antagonistic posts if you cant handle the response.

I believe no one who has thus far replied to you in this thread actually owns a Little Samson cart.

If I found one or had one I would sell it. Owning one isnt worth its cost to me. It obviously is for those wanting collection pieces. Both gamers and collectors can enjoy the hobby.

If you are so against market driven prices, then why are games in your sales thread at about ebay average prices?

[Tanooki]

You got to remember I stupidly stuck around too long at NintendoAge, well known corner of the internet of manipulation, prestige, getting boners over the value on things in plastic slabs or not, and so on. The last thing I want to do it go over there and search the site for the threads on it for stuff that was tracked and talked about being manipulated from small stuff like Guardian Legend that went up then cratered off an attempt to other sustained junk like Magical Chase on TG16 where one guy bought up lots of copies over time to admittedly increase the value. I'm just recalling years of junk I read is all.

I imagine off that dive there are plenty of normal people who game and in turn happen to be casual collectors since they don't just play the sell their stuff off either because it's fun or they have a memory to it. I'm placing the finger there on the rabid types that'll be happy living in someones basement so they can have more games than a home of their own types.

And I think it's excellent that the option is out there now to make your own copies of expensive games using new legit parts for a tiny piece of the cost of an original if you just want something physical to play that isn't a flash kit.

jmustang my stuff is under the ebay value condition being considered and I too would sell a samson as I could really put the $500 to good use. $100 to get Lickle and $400 towards a new laptop that would get thousands of hours of more valued time on it.
Also what would be the benefit of selling it all on ebay or here for like $5 a piece? Someone else would just BIN it at a high level and get it eventually off my back which I'm not a fan of either.

[Jmustang1968]

Im not blaming you for selling at market prices. (The Gradius V is a bit on the higher side though for example) I am just pointing out that you are complaining about market prices and then meticulously price your games to be at or slightly below market.

And sure there are the rabid collectors out there. That is typically a sign of a healthy collectinf hobby to have an array of those who enjoy it with some super collectors mixed in with the casuals. You will find this site doesnt take that approach for the most part nor do many or any slabbed games trade hands.

I wouldnt be surprised if some very rare or uncommon games could be speculated and bought up. But with thousands of copies for some of these 'rare' games, I find that harder to do than whats being let on. What drives up the price is those going for complete sets. These harder to track down games then become desired by many who obviously have the disposable income to burn.

[prfsnl_gmr]

Should we go ahead and get prsnl_gmr in here to describe supply-and-demand before the same damned, idiotic argument happens yet again?

You know...I still haven't started that thread. At some point, I really will have to make a thread devoted to the economics of the used video game market. I envision something with simple, easy-to-understand charts along with some explanations of basic supply-and-demand principles. My hope is that we can simply link to that thread everytime the "scammers and price-gougers" discussion threatens to derail a thread (as it is threatening to do here).

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Also, I am going to add that I collect video games for the prestige associated with owning thousands of games. I am truly the envy of my peers, and I lord my status as a serious video game collector over almost everyone.

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Finally...I want to say that...the Wii U is looking pretty good now...and...uh...I may think about getting one in the coming months...???

[MrPopo]

Should we go ahead and get prsnl_gmr in here to describe supply-and-demand before the same damned, idiotic argument happens yet again?

You know...I still haven't started that thread. At some point, I really will have to make a thread devoted to the economics of the used video game market. I envision something with simple, easy-to-understand charts along with some explanations of basic supply-and-demand principles. My hope is that we can simply link to that thread everytime the "scammers and price-gougers" discussion threatens to derail a thread (as it is threatening to do here).

You should make it a video; see if you can get Jack Sheldon to help with it.

[Stark]

Also, I am going to add that I collect video games for the prestige associated with owning thousands of games. I am truly the envy of my peers, and I lord my status as a serious video game collector over almost everyone.

Seriously, the daily PMs about your "huge collection" need to stop ...