Wii-U thoughts so far

[Jmustang1968]

A lot of 'mature' modern gaming seem to target an incredibly insecure audience of teens to young adults who need it reinforced to them at all times that they're playing "adult" entertainment.

LOOK SEE IT'S FOR GROWNUPS IT'S GOT BLOOD AND GUTS AND BOOBS AND SWEARING AND STUFF.

That stuff has its place and appeal. For example, Game of Thrones wouldnt be near the same, or as good, if it were PG or Teen.

Why do you insinuate those who enjoy that in their media are insecure?

Target and being the target are not the same thing. I can target an audience but more than that are going to buy it and it doesn't mean if you buy it you are the target. Remember when you said we aren't the average gamer? It applies here as well.

A lot of people saying Nintendo is kiddie is a good example of the insecure audience about their gender, sexualty, maturity or masculinity. Why do they deem nintendo kiddie and why is kiddie a bad thing? That sounds a lot like insecurity at being labled childish. "Boobs and blood and swearing" have there place and not all those who like it are insecure, but if that is all you like that is a little telling.

Basically it is bad or unappealing in the same way most kids shows are to me. Not saying Nintendo is all that way, but they definitely appeal to 'family gaming'. Nothing wrong with that and it has its place. I think there is room for both to exist.

[pepharytheworm]

Saying kiddie in itself can be good indicator of being insecure, not always though. People saying stuff like that are doing it to protect themselves and don't always know it. It's like saying I am adult who is better than kids so I must distance myself from people thinking I am a child. I find that word simiiar to girly. Saying you don't like pink because it's girly is a lame reason. What is wrong with being a kid?

[Jmustang1968]

Saying kiddie in itself can be good indicator of being insecure, not always though. People saying stuff like that are doing it to protect themselves and don't always know it. It's like saying I am adult who is better than kids so I must distance myself from people thinking I am a child. I find that word simiiar to girly. Saying you don't like pink because it's girly is a lame reason. What is wrong with being a kid?

Nothing is wrong with being a kid when you are a kid. And I am also not saying adults cant have fun or do what they enjoy. But there are reasons I dont like kids shows and other such things anymore. Even as a kid, a lot of the stuff that target kids or was advertised as kiddie didnt appeal to me.

[BogusMeatFactory]

Saying kiddie in itself can be good indicator of being insecure, not always though. People saying stuff like that are doing it to protect themselves and don't always know it. It's like saying I am adult who is better than kids so I must distance myself from people thinking I am a child. I find that word simiiar to girly. Saying you don't like pink because it's girly is a lame reason. What is wrong with being a kid?

Yeah I think the, "Adult Gamer," craze has a lot more to do with psychology than just simple categorization. It is different to say, "I enjoy action movies with ultra-violence...but I also enjoy Pixar Films and stoner comedies and documentaries," in comparison to, "I only enjoy ultra-violent action films and everything else sucks!"

People who jump on to the, "Nintendo is kiddie! It Sucks!" bandwagon, are people who are emotionally at the level of teenagers, even if they are not themselves teenagers. Teenagers want to explore how far they can push the boundaries of what you can and can not get away with. They crave adrenaline and action and excitement. Is that wrong? It is just part of the psychology of that age range. Sure there are outliers, but there are outliers in everything.

Adults can still be at that age level, however. It is one thing to say, "I don't enjoy that type of game, therefor I don't play it," and it is another to say, "It sucks and anyone who plays it sucks." There is a world for everything.

I think the biggest obstacle people have with this, is seeing outside of themselves, which is an obstacle everyone has. There are people who have a strict diet of hamburgers and french fries, because the rest of the world scares them. There are others who only desire to experience the world within a 20 mile radius around them. There are people who hate and have prejudice for no reason other than it is what is considered, "Normal," in their world.

At times, I feel like the outlier in this world is the person who is willing to come in without preconceived notions of what something should or should not be and just go with the flow. Experience things and find the world to your liking in any way possible.

Nintendo has the difficult job of being in an industry that is now in its adolescence. This is much like the transition from silent film to talkies. Will people grow up and accept a broader reality for games and embrace the, "Family Gaming," experience? That is up to the person.

I'm fine with someone saying, "I don't enjoy this type of game for reasons A, B and C," but I can not stand a person saying, "It sucks because it does."

[AppleQueso]

A lot of 'mature' modern gaming seem to target an incredibly insecure audience of teens to young adults who need it reinforced to them at all times that they're playing "adult" entertainment.

LOOK SEE IT'S FOR GROWNUPS IT'S GOT BLOOD AND GUTS AND BOOBS AND SWEARING AND STUFF.

That stuff has its place and appeal. For example, Game of Thrones wouldnt be near the same, or as good, if it were PG or Teen.

Why do you insinuate those who enjoy that in their media are insecure?

Target and being the target are not the same thing. I can target an audience but more than that are going to buy it and it doesn't mean if you buy it you are the target. Remember when you said we aren't the average gamer? It applies here as well.

'^^this

I mean come on I have a big collection of music from bands with names like "Suffocation" and "Autopsy" I'm clearly not someone who considers herself above 'low' entertainment.

[fastbilly1]

For example, Game of Thrones wouldnt be near the same, or as good, if it were PG or Teen.

Its called Lego: Legends of Chima.

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[Opa Opa]

[Jmustang1968]

The whole "Nintendo is kiddie" debate is so tired, mostly because "kiddie" doesn't even have a clear definition. It's a label - an excuse, really -that many people use to conveniently write off Nintendo without having to try playing the games first.

Of course, what should we expect in an industry where "mature" often means that a game acts out hyper-masculine, over-sexualized fantasies of teenage boys?

Again, what mature really means is not suitable for children.

[pepharytheworm]

'^^this

I mean come on I have a big collection of music from bands with names like "Suffocation" and "Autopsy" I'm clearly not someone who considers herself above 'low' entertainment.

Two death metal bands I enjoy. Not huge on the genre, maybe 30 death metal bands I like. If you want really "low" entertainment Gardy Loo fits nicely.