Konami to focus on mobile games as it's main platform

[marurun]

Steam isn't heavy-weight software, but it is starting to get a little bloaty these days with features and whatnot. It could certainly be a little more efficient with memory and CPU overhead. GOG Galaxy is currently the pace car for minimalism.

[Xeogred]

Bloated is an understatement for Steam right now. Anyway to get those separate window popups to stop? Everything about the UI is completely ugly and a mess and thesedays. Updates are running CONSTANTLY in the background and I do my damndest to keep my downloaded games down to a small limit.

The only thing a modern console can offer at this point (aside from the rare exclusive) is pop a disc in and play convenience. But even that aspect has worn down over time due to system updates and constant large patches. That sort of thing blurs the line even more between a console and a PC.

Well that "only" thing goes a long, long way for me.

I bought an Xbone controller for my PC, dual monitor with a 40" TV, so I can easily put Big Picture mode or whatever on there and it's practically the same thing. But it's not.

I've usually had a PC growing up (well the family rigs were terrible). But still, I don't PC game much. I've never not been able to play a game on the PS4 because it needs an update or something. I like picking up a controller that's instantly the main instrument for the system and control. I like my shelf of games and putting a disc in. I'm 27 now and have fully accepted that I will always prefer consoles until the end. I find it humorous the majority on such a site (in this thread at least) are leaning the other way on this. But I'm also laughing and wondering how the discussion went this direction at all.

Consoles for life suckas.

[marurun]

... I will always prefer consoles until the end. I find it humorous the majority on such a site (in this thread at least) are leaning the other way on this. But I'm also laughing and wondering how the discussion went this direction at all.

Consoles for life suckas.

Here's the thing. The experience of a cartridge, or even CD-driven console is much different from the modern console. Aside from reduced OS overhead, the console is now a PC. It has a lot of the same on-line/connectivity dependencies, the same pressure to release stuff early and just patch away the problems later (if at all), and almost exactly the same hardware underneath. The reason some of us have swung to the PC this generation (and to an extent, last generation) is because the distinction between the two just isn't what it once was.

I mean, if you're talking emulation on a PC or the real thing for NES, Genny, PCE, I'll take the real deal on a CRT TV. Just pop in the cart and hit power. But modern consoles are approaching convergence. I'm not sure when the distinct console will disappear, but for many practical intents and purposes it very nearly has already.

[Forlorn Drifter]

That's a stretch. I had steam running on a flimsy netbook years ago and that thing was with a trashy intel video chip, 2GB of ram, and a wonky weak processor on it.

If someone can't run Steam well, their computer has some real problems or a virus. And there is no 'PC community' in a sense, at least not with tablet, console, and handheld which center around that stuff. Maybe you'd rather not join a Steam or GoG community, that could make sense, but there isn't some overarching arrogant, mean or rude PC community out there to avoid like you do get with console, handheld and tablet nuts.

I'm just going by what I've seen. Brand new, personal built gaming PCs being sluggish with Steam. It might be due to internet speed issues to an extent. I have 1 million and 1 other issues with steam though.

And there is an overarching mean, rude, and arrogant PC community. The one that tells me I'm an idiot for using a console, bitches everytime one of "their" games gets ported, bitches when one of "our" games doesn't come to them soon enough or with enough graphical doo-dads (even though the same people spend most of their time playing games that look like freaking C64 games), the same one that pushes for majority download despite their not being an infrastructure in many places to support it, and the same community that created the "master race" joke, which has long since no longer been a joke.

[o.pwuaioc]

And there is an overarching mean, rude, and arrogant PC community. The one that tells me I'm an idiot for using a console, bitches everytime one of "their" games gets ported, bitches when one of "our" games doesn't come to them soon enough or with enough graphical doo-dads (even though the same people spend most of their time playing games that look like freaking C64 games), the same one that pushes for majority download despite their not being an infrastructure in many places to support it, and the same community that created the "master race" joke, which has long since no longer been a joke.

Oh, you mean the Xbox community? Or the PlayStation community? Or every other community out there? People bitch. First, don't lump all computer gamers into the same category. I'm sure quite a few people who love VVVVVV don't complain about graphics. Second, if you're so bothered by them, just ignore them! It does wonders! It's so easy to ignore everyone and play games on Steam (which work just fine on my PC bought in 2012). I know because I do it all the time. I've played a multiplayer game through Steam twice, once was with my wife and one friend, and the other time was with friends (Civ 5 hotspot). It's easy to do. It's not like joining Steam will make those comments on forums more frequent, so your argument against them is very, very weak.

[GSZX1337]

I bought an Xbone controller for my PC, dual monitor with a 40" TV, so I can easily put Big Picture mode or whatever on there and it's practically the same thing. But it's not.

I have a "media center" PC hooked up to my living room TV and having Steam Big Picture Mode feels very close to a console.

I've never not been able to play a game on the PS4 because it needs an update or something.

I don't have a PS4, but on the PS3 you can play games without updating them. I'm always concerned about gamebreaking glitches or crashes and shit, so I always update my games whenever prompted. Also, I might be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure you need to update to play multiplayer game online.

Because I'm lazy, I'll quote other posts and concur with them:

Here's the thing. The experience of a cartridge, or even CD-driven console is much different from the modern console. Aside from reduced OS overhead, the console is now a PC. It has a lot of the same on-line/connectivity dependencies, the same pressure to release stuff early and just patch away the problems later (if at all), and almost exactly the same hardware underneath. The reason some of us have swung to the PC this generation (and to an extent, last generation) is because the distinction between the two just isn't what it once was.

I concur. In fact, I'm actually kind of looking forward to that "Retro" console as it promisies the same idiot-proof usage of the N64 and prior.

Oh, you mean the Xbox community? Or the PlayStation community? Or every other community out there? People bitch. First, don't lump all computer gamers into the same category. I'm sure quite a few people who love VVVVVV don't complain about graphics. Second, if you're so bothered by them, just ignore them! It does wonders! It's so easy to ignore everyone and play games on Steam (which work just fine on my PC bought in 2012). I know because I do it all the time. I've played a multiplayer game through Steam twice, once was with my wife and one friend, and the other time was with friends (Civ 5 hotspot). It's easy to do. It's not like joining Steam will make those comments on forums more frequent, so your argument against them is very, very weak.

I concur.

...and the same community that created the "master race" joke, which has long since no longer been a joke.

The PC Gaming community didn't make that joke, Yahtzee coined that phrase in his The Witcher review. The PC Gamers just took that phrase and started using it ironically.

[alienjesus]

I didn't buy a 360 or PS3 for the first time until last year.

Well we'll see how it goes. I'm happy stopping at the 360/PS3/Vita/3DS border for a good long while personally.

I've only just started considering buying a PS3 myself. I sort of have an XBox 360 (it belongs to my girlfriend) but outside of the odd co-op game with her back at uni (she hasn't played it much in years) and some Cave shmups, I don't really touch the thing. I have too many of my own games to play right now to start playing through her 360 collection

I hate that console gaming is becoming more and more like PC gaming, because I really don't like PC gaming. That's not to say I don't think it's happening though. When even Nintendo games and systems come with out-of-the-box patches and updates it's pretty hard to deny.

[Exhuminator]

Consoles for life suckas.

I doubt the way you envision consoles to be will last beyond the One/PS4 generation, unfortunately.

Here's the thing. The experience of a cartridge, or even CD-driven console is much different from the modern console.

That's exactly right. Classic console experience does not equate to the modern one.

Modern consoles are so similar to modern PCs now, that some feel there's no point in buying one and choose to build a powerful PC instead. Given the similarities between the contemporary experiences I can't blame them. It's of course nice to have higher resolutions and more frames per second and mods. Also piracy is much easier on the PC side of things and that is a huge factor. I will point at the elephant in the room and say there is an elephant in the room.

I hate that console gaming is becoming more and more like PC gaming, because I really don't like PC gaming.

Well I for one enjoy all types of gaming.

In my late teens and early twenties I was nearly 100% about PC gaming. That said, I started shying away from PC gaming more as I got older simply due to time reasons. When I only have 2 hours to play a game at night, I don't want to spend the first 30 minutes of that installing a PC game, patching it, cracking it to remove intrusive DRM bullshit, updating my GPU driver, configuring the game for my system's specs, configuring the game to work with my USB controller, etc. I just want to pop a disc or a cart in a system and take off running.

But now that modern consoles have mandatory installs and system updates and automatic patching, you can spend 30 minutes just watching progress bars crawl across the screen after you pop a new game disc in your machine anyway. So from an initial time investment perspective it might as well be a PC nowadays.

[Tanooki]

Here's the thing. The experience of a cartridge, or even CD-driven console is much different from the modern console. Aside from reduced OS overhead, the console is now a PC.

That's my reasoning there. I haven't had the PS4 on for gaming I think all year more than a couple of times. I ended up with this 360 for windows controller, and my new over the top gaming laptop I custom built last December and it can outdo the thing by a big leap. Games will all accept that controller too, a good many who kiss up the MS even have their little controller buttons pop up too. If I didn't have a keyboard here I'd swear I was on a console. That's the problem, there's no motivation when the PS4 is always wanting some dumb system update or the games want one since no one seem to ship a 'final' game anymore, just various form of a busted beta. That was why I didn't like PC gaming, and now they both do it, but the PC at least doesn't make me stare at a load bar.

I'm just going by what I've seen. Brand new, personal built gaming PCs being sluggish with Steam. It might be due to internet speed issues to an extent. I have 1 million and 1 other issues with steam though.

And there is an overarching mean, rude, and arrogant PC community.

Well that may be the internet then. I will say personally I've seen it crawl and act like garbage, but it was the internet flaking out and having to reset the modem or some service partial outage causing it to time out and chug. The one bit of Steam I do find bloated, annoying ass pop up ads and the lame achievements I don't want, it gets in the way. I haven't really seen an overarching mean support community on PC, but I don't go widely digging beyond the GoG or Steam forums, google beyond that. Maybe there's just clusters of assholes, wouldn't surprise me as that's the internet -- assholes and porn. I'm unfamiliar with bitching about extras not being on PC, but I do agree if they're bitching about console ports being much later and I've never seen the master race joke.



I don't know man really. I just see where the PC now takes an equal or less amount of time to get a game going than a console, often it's the PC being faster once GoG or Steam has downloaded it and I clicked install(for GoG stuff.) That's just to me fucking sad bluntly put. I've owned a PC since 1990 and console games have always been a straight forward thing, you jack it into the TV, you plug in(if you remove them) the controller, slide in the game, and the game works. The PC you had to install, setup drivers, calibrate the joystick, maybe map some keys, configure the a/v settings, and go for it. Now the PC games are already setup even with the controller (have a 360 for Win pad) so all I do is just click the icon, and it's going. If an update is needed I can browse online or play another game with it in the background, can't do that on PS3/4 (or MS stuff.) I'm stuck watching a bar, then using the PC anyway or flipping over to the TV which defeats the purpose. My PC doesn't constantly need updates I have to tell it to do and sit through, it just does them when I turn it off or actively in the background from windows through the nvidia experience application. Again, where's the point when the console takes more effort, time, waiting screens, and forced system updates just to fire up a basic game? I can totally see the appeal of that kickstarter for the modern made classic idiot box console with jaguar molded carts because there will be no patches, it just works, flip it on and go. I can also see why someone would sink 1-2K into a crazy ass good computer when that eases is there and all its other uses versus a $4-500 console.

I'm starting to think this is way off the Konami reservation, and if it were possible and I were staff, I'd lift every post on this and move it to a new thread as this is a GOOD discussion.

[Ack]

What's this? Filthy console peasants on MY Internet?