Shmup of the Month Club 2014 (Completed)

[samsonlonghair]

Today is the second time I played. I'm still awfully awful, but I'm getting less awful awfully fast.



Samson - 284900 - Stage 2- Hell Hound - MVS

I'm lucky that Kevin at Pixel Nation has an MVS arcade machine.

[jepjepjep]

You guys okay with autofire?

no

Why not? This game's kind of painful to play for very long without autofire. All of the world record scores use autofire (e.g. http://stormoid.com/gamest/b.html , Omega denotes autofire).

[dsheinem]

You guys okay with autofire?

no

Why not? This game's kind of painful to play for very long without autofire. All of the world record scores use autofire (e.g. http://stormoid.com/gamest/b.html , Omega denotes autofire).

no pain no gain!

i'd not consider a WR with autofire a true WR

[mjmjr25]

I'm not using autofire because I forget to charge and break properly; I get lazy - but it is accepted in most other competitions for this game.

I'm fine w/it. Exed?

1,510,010 - mjmjr25 - stage 4 - Dino-246 - MVS

[samsonlonghair]

You guys okay with autofire?

I don't care if you cheat, dude. Why are you asking permission? As far as I'm concerned, you can use any tricks, hacks, or cheats you please. It doesn't affect my score. I'm just playing for fun. There's no money to be won, and no prizes handed out. By using autofire, you're only cheating yourself not me. Go for it.

I'm just going to keep on playing on the MVS at my local retro game store.

[mjmjr25]

That MVS cart / cab yr playing on...has auto-fire.

[dsheinem]

That MVS cart / cab yr playing on...has auto-fire.

but it is a special option, right? may as well decrease the difficulty too...

[mjmjr25]

It's a selectable option, yes. However samson was speaking w/o knowledge when calling it cheating.

Every score competition in JP, every Western record, every score thread i've seen on any of the forums allow it and it isn't something that is assumed wouldn't be used. If we go no-auto, then we're in the minority.

Each AO determines the settings - you may have done amazing on a game at one arcade and poorly at another due to the settings and you wouldn't necessarily understand why.

I get the idea of using "default" settings, but there are many games where the defaults are considered "not the default" after the game was consumed by the public.

Pro Gear is a perfect example. In fact, CAPCOM realized the original defaults were too hard for Americans and when they released it in the states, they lowered the default difficulty from 4 to 2. So if you play defaults with the JP rom, yr at difficulty 4. IF you play the US rom, yr at difficulty 2 - and you wouldn't even know unless you accessed and changed the settings. For score comps, US players have to change the default to 4 to meet the accepted community standards.

In Blazing Star, the shmup community standard by all regions (US / EUR / JP) is the auto should be the default.

[jepjepjep]

You guys okay with autofire?

I don't care if you cheat, dude.

Cut your hair Samson.

Pretty much all of the serious players don't consider autofire to be cheating or cheap. It's allowed for all of the Japanese scoreboards, shmups forum scoreboard. It seems to be a US-thing to shy away from autofire. When they played over on neo-geo.com they didn't want to use autofire either. I just think it's a more enjoyable experience to use autofire but as long as the rules are clear, I can go without. Mike's right with the Progear example being a good one. As is Dodonpachi. Both of those have autofire disabled by default but available in the service menu. Nobody who's serious about playing those games for score does it without full-auto enabled.

[dsheinem]

It's a selectable option, yes. However samson was speaking w/o knowledge when calling it cheating.

Every score competition in JP, every Western record, every score thread i've seen on any of the forums allow it and it isn't something that is assumed wouldn't be used. If we go no-auto, then we're in the minority.

Each AO determines the settings - you may have done amazing on a game at one arcade and poorly at another due to the settings and you wouldn't necessarily understand why.

I get the idea of using "default" settings, but there are many games where the defaults are considered "not the default" after the game was consumed by the public.

Pro Gear is a perfect example. In fact, CAPCOM realized the original defaults were too hard for Americans and when they released it in the states, they lowered the default difficulty from 4 to 2. So if you play defaults with the JP rom, yr at difficulty 4. IF you play the US rom, yr at difficulty 2 - and you wouldn't even know unless you accessed and changed the settings. For score comps, US players have to change the default to 4 to meet the accepted community standards.

In Blazing Star, the shmup community standard by all regions (US / EUR / JP) is the auto should be the default.

good points...but why was autofire decided as "standard" by the shmup community? did snk make some statement about the setting at some point as Capcom did with ProGear? i just don't like messing with the defaults unless i know why it's being done. The shmups forum requires marking your score as such if you use it...at the very least we should do that, but I'd rather we buck this trend unless we have a good reason beyond groupthink.