Gunbird - High Scores

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dunpeal2064 wrote:Wow... being a self-proclaimed "score-chaser", I feel like a total derp having not heard of this.

it looks amazing!

I must look more into this.
See Chasing Ghosts first. It's sort of a prequel if you will.
However, I would only consider them TG records, not World Records... unless it actually is a WR.
TG feeds the scores to Guinness.
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I've looked through Guiness scores, and they are pretty innaccurate.

I'm sure some are better than others... but just think about it. Everyone here is paying the game for 3 days and we all just broke the World Record, even though the game is by one of the most popular shmup devs around?

I mean, Arcadia makes you play on a PCB, and has a member there to physically watch your submission, and they have a 2m+ score submitted.

I dunno, to each their own. To me, it would not feel like a WR, nor even an accomplishment.

However, I am extreamly interested in these 2 movies. I will check them out tonight.
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Chasing Ghosts in on my netflix queu right now...i've almost started it about a dozen times, but still haven't.

I think they took King of Kong off though. (streaming that is)

And yeah, i'm w/Chaz on this one. It's sorta like, I can fit 28 hardboiled eggs in my buttcheeks. Personally, I know that Barnes can do like 40, however, if I submit this and no one in TG or Guinness has submitted higher, then yeah, I have a "record", but in my mind, I know I don't.

Chaz, remind me yr world record? Is it a shmup or Rubik's cube or something?
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dunpeal2064 wrote:I've looked through Guiness scores, and they are pretty innaccurate.
I think the thing is this: Yes, we know there are higher scores that exist. But the TG scores are the highest ones that were verified (a "ref" watched it happen, or watched a video tape and verified that no cheating/console-mods/etc were done to achieve the score.) These are all scores that were submitted to TG, using their strict process.

If you watch those documentaries you'll kind of get a better appreciation for TG.
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Hey, you know I used to speedsolve cubes? :oops: :lol:

I have the Western Record for Gun.Frontier

Gun Frontier

World: DBS - 2.797.100 - ALL - Autofire ON
West: dunpeal2064 - 1.054.290 - Stage 6 - Autofire ON
World: B.J - 1.863.770 - ALL - Autofire OFF

Copied from here: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=38524

I really got into the game, seeing how much it influenced Battle Garegga... but sadly I had to sell it for munnies before I could get a score I was really happy with.
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now on the otherhand, I don't know what a Western Record is?
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Wow Mike, 28 eggs? Thats beastly.
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dunpeal2064 wrote:I've looked through Guiness scores, and they are pretty innaccurate.
I think the thing is this: Yes, we know there are higher scores that exist. But the TG scores are the highest ones that were verified (a "ref" watched it happen, or watched a video tape and verified that no cheating/console-mods/etc were done to achieve the score.) These are all scores that were submitted to TG, using their strict process.

If you watch those documentaries you'll kind of get a better appreciation for TG.
I'll definitely watch it

But... Arcadia scores are verified IN PERSON. It just doesn't happen in America. I don't see how that isn't just as good, if not better. I'd consider it an even stricter process.

I don't mean to knock TG, honestly. I really am interested to see the films. I just could not consider a score that doesn't even reach the first extend a WR, even if its "Guiness Verified"
noiseredux wrote:now on the otherhand, I don't know what a Western Record is?
Well, players in Japan are way better than us. They have much better practice methods and are way more serious about scoring competitively, from what the scores show.

So, even the best players here, that accomplish some astonishing feats, really can't compare to Eastern Records (which are almost always also the World Record)

Take Dimahoo for example, our SoTM next month. The Western Record for 7 years was 17m. Someone this year broke that, with a manly 57m.

Several Eastern players have counterstopped the game at 90m. And this isn't some unheard of game, its Raizing and affordable, so almost everyone gives it a spin. The game is just so hard that most folks here can't give it the time it would take to understand the counterstop, let alone be able to perform it in a full run.
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dunpeal2064 wrote: But... Arcadia scores are verified IN PERSON. It just doesn't happen in America. I don't see how that isn't just as good, if not better. I'd consider it an even stricter process.

I don't mean to knock TG, honestly. I really am interested to see the films. I just could not consider a score that doesn't even reach the first extend a WR, even if its "Guiness Verified"
oh I'm not disagreeing. Just saying it has its merit. And TG has been around for jeez, 40 years or something? So I mean, Walter Day is just really an awesome guy.

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So anyway, how do you hold a WR? Is it just through Shmups or is it like some other archive or something? I'm just not really familiar with the whole high-score scene outside of what I've seen of TG from those documentaries.
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Well, my Western Record was not high enough for anyone to ask me for a replay or anything.

On shmups, you have to record a .inp, so that NTSC-J or whoever it is that looks through it can tell if you were running the game at default settings, whether you paused or not, and that your game was running at 100% speed the entire time, amongst other things.

For Arcadia, I'm pretty sure you have to set something up with them to meet in an arcade, where they check out the pcb first, make sure its set to defaults, and then watch you do your runs until you get a score you are happy with.

Of course, I've never done that. Usually on shmups, unless its a REALLY high score, people will take your word and a screeny for it.

To be honest, I'm not sure where the archive is, but there is a list kept on shmups. I know that NTSC-J has pulled a lot of those scores from arcadia, but I'm not sure exactly where that is.
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Alright - dip settings worked, we are a go.

1st run - 72,000
2nd run - 281,400

Hoping for something pic-worthy when I can play again tonight.
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