Does the hunt on piracy piss off anyone else here?

[deathclaw]

Hell, I guess if I could do one piece of work and then be paid a million times over for it I would be on the righteous intellectual property train too.

Go ahead, create something and get paid a million times for it.

Guess what? It's not easy. Being a writer is the best way of being poor.

I have a real hard time respecting the whining nonsense of people who make a metric shit ton of money for minimal effort.

Minimal effort, of course, how is this going to be hard? I mean, why aren't you winning millions again?

they should sit back and enjoy the good life and quit bitching about it.

So they should stop creating then? Or creating things so you can then tell them to "stop bitching about your easy useless overpaid job"? Fuck you.

The amount of money spent to enforce something shouldn't be equivalent to or greater than the amount of loss.

And it isn't. If you think it is, prove it.

The parking enforcement argument doesn't hold a lot of water in my book either..because I think it is a stupid waste of resources as well. Government money should be spent to protect people from harm and to punish those that cause people harm.

Hahaha, and not being able to drive isn't harm?

C'mon you are but a child. Do you have any idea of how the world works? I don't think so.

I agree with you absolutely. And it's always arguments like these used in countless reactions about "why piracy isnt stealing"

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

I"m an undercover cop. You are all under arrest.

Felt like posting that.. Apologies etc.

YES!!!

I just got into this series a week ago and I've already watched both seasons and the mini-episodes up to the fifth episode of Full Throttle.

[jp1]

I'm a jackass and I will selectively quote your post to try and make a valid argument for myself...

I agree...


Forget about the times I have mentioned that PIRACY IS STEALING. I was obviously saying that it isn't stealing. Your post is the most childish post in the thread and you want to call me a child. Quoting a sentence someone wrote and then saying "Nah ah it is hard so fuck you.." Is the mark of an ignorant and immature mind.

You act like 1 guy sits in a room slaving over a game and he has to scrape together pennies for a loaf of bread. If it wasn't a rewarding career people wouldn't do it. If you would pay attention to anything I wrote instead of trying to be a hot headed idiot you would see that I have pointed out both that I find it morally wrong and I do consider it to be stealing. However, I will not sit back and hear about the "poor celebrities/software devs" while people starve.

To touch on a couple of your finer points...I didn't say that anyone had a useless job. I just don't happen to think that Mel Gibson should sit around and whine because he only made $10 million last year instead of $20 million. If you will read through my posts you will also notice that I have stated that "Software piracy is another matter" indicating that the circumstances surrounding it are different from those that I am talking about.

[jp1]

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ALSO, they all get a percentage of sales...because that is how it works.


Every single hard working guy stuffing boxes gets a percentage of the sale of a video game. It isn't just that they will keep making $10 an hour and the already rich publishers will continue to raise their own profits...because that's not how the world works.

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The ONLY people losing money are the ones that are already making a shitload of it because they get paid many times over for the same work. But, ok I'll feel sorry for them if it will comfort you that it is the right thing to do.

I'm turning off the sarcasm for a moment.

Piracy hurts software sales. It's not a simple one-for-one deal as software publishers like to claim, but it does hurt sales. Many people wish royalty agreements in the software business don't make an unusually large amount of money, particularly on niche titles or software that, for whatever reason, doesn't sell that many copies.

Lower software sales means less work is available for those on the production lines. Less work available means fewer jobs, which means that people are downsized. So now, instead of making $10 an hour, Joe the Fifth (Hi Luke!) is making $0 an hour. This is true for people (not on royalty plans) all the way up the production chain, including programmers and artists and designers who are not on royalty schemes.

But people complain about software companies getting paid over and over making a piece of software. Is there a better alternative? I mean, if it costs $20 million to develop a video game, would you prefer they make only one copy and try to sell it to someone for $25 million? That's not exactly a model that works.

I can agree with this method of seeing how it can take away from the guy working on the floor. I don't know that I agree that piracy is costing any of these companies enough money to lay people off though. They all seem to be doing better than ever.

[Hatta]

Piracy isn't going to cause EA, Ubisoft, or Activision to close. It may however be a factor for niche software houses that produce quality games. If you're pirating, you're not providing any incentive for the developer to make more of the type of games you're playing. If you're ok with that, by all means pirate away. If you want more good games to be developed, pay for the ones you like.

[Erik_Twice]

Jp1, you are incapable of having a grown-up discussion, next time try to answer my reasonings instead of ignoring them and complaining about me answering your "points".


Stealing from the rich isn't good, no matter how many poor people there are out there. Why should copyright infringment be any different? You are causing harm and damaging the economy with your selfish acts.

Is it fine to prevent a rich man to win the money he deserves because he had already a good amount of money? No. And if the world worked that way we wouldn't have rich people, but we wouldn't have the benefits of rich people neither.

Saying that some crimes are okay because of class diferences is hypocrital and laughable.

[jp1]

Jp1, you are incapable of having a grown-up discussion, next time try to answer my reasonings instead of ignoring them and complaining about me answering your "points".


Stealing from the rich isn't good, no matter how many poor people there are out there. Why should copyright infringment be any different? You are causing harm and damaging the economy with your selfish acts.

Is it fine to prevent a rich man to win the money he deserves because he had already a good amount of money? No. And if the world worked that way we wouldn't have rich people, but we wouldn't have the benefits of rich people neither.

I'm perfectly capable of having a "grown-up" discussion. I do it all the time. You are the one that acted like an asshole. I don't actually pirate anything that can still be purchased so my "selfish acts" aren't doing anything. Because I think that the punishments and efforts are overblown doesn't mean I think it is ok to steal from anyone. I don't feel sorry for rich people it doesn't mean I think they deserve to be robbed. Luckily, they have people like you to defend their honor. It's an important cause and I'm glad you support it.

I would have gladly "answered your reasonings" had you made any. You simply quoted selected lines from my post and made smart ass comments about them while ignoring the parts that didn't serve your purpose.

[Niode]

C'mon guys. Let's keep this discussion civil. Please refrain from calling each other names. This is a public forum, not a school playground.

[jp1]

Noted. I'm done anyway. It isn't as if this discussion will ever lead to anyone changing their point of view anyway.

[aaron]

I AM GOING TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE WHO PIRATES A VIDEO GAME. EVERYONE.